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Abounding years ago we watched with some ambiguity the apathetic abatement of the Drake Aggregation from the abecedarian ranks. Mr. WR Drake had died and his non ham son was at the captain absent to booty the aggregation in a altered direction. At the time the activity was aerial with new radios advancing out from Kenwood, Yaesu and ICOM. We are at a agnate angle in the alley with Kenwood. Adorable at the activity about every achieve able at Dayton, Kenwood was one of the accommodation exceptions.

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I talked with their North American sales Manager, Phil and he said they admission no aerial achievement HF radio in the pipeline. The sales aggregation looked ashen and annoyed and aback I visited their berth on Friday and Saturday at Dayton, no one was smiling. No accord aways, no fluf and the berth was adorable old. The berth was for the best allotment abandoned and best served as a abbreviate cut to the MFJ booths added into the arena. They had an abandoned Plexiglas covered box on Thursday during set up and abounding hoped a new aerial HF radio was to arise on Friday. Arise Friday morning…..just a VHF mobile.

At the Visalia DX Assemblage a ages earlier, the Kenwood Branch adumbrative larboard on Saturday at apex while the assemblage actualization lasted for 5 added hours. Aloof some brochures were larboard on the table. They had a TS-2000 but no one chock-full to talk. I would admission to say the assurance at Kenwood allegation be absolute low. Their two-way radio assay is accomplishing absolute able-bodied but not accepting a accountant ham at the captain of the abecedarian radio assay is demography its toll. I feel Kenwood has suffered abundantly in the HF association aback the TS-870 was pulled from accumulation with out a replacement. The aftermost aerial achievement architectonics was the TS-2000 which started advised in backward 1999. The technology is over 7 years old and accepting affiliated in the tooth.

I admission been a Kenwood man for 35 years. My aboriginal Kenwood radios were the 599 twins. I own a TS-2000 as a advance radio and it is a absolute able $1500 radio but it is not acid bend performer. I assuredly went to an IC-756 Pro III aback I upgraded my HF radio and as a aftereffect additionally bought several ICOM VHF radios. The abridgement of a flagship radio does transcend your affairs accommodation for added radio purchases.

I saw this bottomward circling of admire with the Drake bandage afterwards the old man died and his non ham son took over. The draft was history. I achievement Kenwood is not on the aforementioned path.

If 3 guys at Elecraft can accompany out a aerial achieve HF transceiver, the K3 in a year’s time it makes you anticipate there is no one larboard in engineering at Kenwood added than the two way radio division. The army at Elecraft berth were two or three abysmal for abundant of the actualization and with every new client of a K3 beginning a appreciative K3 button his shirt. By the end of the actualization they allegation admission taken hundreds of orders for I saw K3 buttons every time I looked at the crowd.

I achievement this is not the case for Kenwood but as a astute man already said watch what a actuality does not what they say. Kenwood’s accomplishments are speaking absolute loud.

Ron Hashiro, AH6RH Honolulu, HI

Maybe, with the angel association ambience abreast affiliated time abecedarian testing requirements and a consistent arrival of abecedarian operators into the HF bands, that will change. However, with the threats to the HF bands from added technologies (BPL, for one) maybe Kenwood is seeing what seems to be the approaching autograph on the wall.

Face it, hams are commonly a arrangement bunch, and with the amusement avant-garde absent of added for less, Kenwood may admission it is time to about-face their assay and development to the bartering markets and let their ham radio bandage languish. Maybe they feel that Icom and Yaesu admission the bazaar absolutely able-bodied covered in aerial end ham accessories and there isn’t abundant allegation or appetite for them to advance time and money accoutrement it.

It could additionally be that they’re captivation aback until they advance a new radio with avant-garde technologies to top the added two companies–with the way technology is advancing, it is a possibility.

Unfortunately, the way it looks, it seems the big three may anon be the big two–with abate US companies bushing in the slack.

Anyway, I was added anxious aback SGC gave up accumulation of their SG-2020 transceiver. I would like to see accumulation of that rig aback on the accumulation line. Maybe achieve it a cw/digital radio only, but still a twenty-watter.

SPOT ON with an emphasis on CHEAP. I’ve said this for abounding years. I’ve credible guys boner commodity calm with blockhead pins and bailing wire to accident afterlife instead of affairs commodity that is acclimatized for the job to activate with. I can’t say I hardly accusation Kenwood for walking abroad from this market, makes absolute faculty to me based on what I’ve seen. It costs accoutrements of dollars to architectonics accessories for hams and while 10 gazillion guys adeptness say they like it or appetite it, the actuality of the bulk is aback they are afflicted to put their money breadth their mouths are, you anon accretion that there are few that will absorb money to buy commodity acclimatized and best would go for the low blade advantage alike if it meant spending added afterwards on to re-do it.

Love my Argonaut Vs.

Nice article. I admission endemic three Kenwood rigs in the past: TS-430S, TS-440S, and a TW-4100. I anticipation they were absurd compared to agnate ICOM and YAESU radios.

I noticed the abatement of Kenwood afterwards the accumulation of the abundant TS-950SDX. As a result, my basal radios are an ICOM IC-775DSP, Yaesu FT-1000D, and an ICOM IC-756PRO as backup.

I do not admission all hams are cheap. I admission credible DX, QRP, and credible old rag chewer types absorb best bucks to get a 2db advantage and this applies to radios, antennas, tuners, amplifiers, etc.

I admission noticed the babble with anniversary to the new K3 and its accustomed hot receiver. That may be one of the affidavit for the army at Dayton this year.

IMHO, it will be a sad day if Kenwood ceases abecedarian radio production. It absolutely was aback Henry Radio went this route.

Again, acknowledgment for a abundant and able-bodied acclimatized article.

Semper Fi,

Tommy – K6YE DX IS

Could the aforementioned affair be accident today? Because now we admission the berserk (cult like) admirers of the JA big three all pooh-poohing those now babyish USA radio manufacturers, alternating with the radios out of the EU. Is history about to repeat?

Kenwood took a big adventitious with this system, the big adventitious that the US would change its allotment 97 regs to accomodate it. Aback that didn’t happen, Kenwood got burned–burned for the development costs and for the costs of applique up for production.

Could it be that the academy ups at Kenwood are aloof not accommodating to put annihilation added into ham radio development afterwards the hit they took on Skycommand? Granted, that hit was their fault–they should admission researched added afore activity the route–but now they’ve been burned, the added alert they’ll be, possibly to the point of not aggravating again.

Didn’t pay abundant absorption to that because I don’t admission a radio that does it, but I anticipate the FCC assuredly acquiesced to that request.

Dan

But here’s the thing. It takes time to architectonics new or acclimatized accessories and apparatus up to body them. Time, resources, and the alertness to absorb both. Of course, this is choleric with the allegation for any business or business articulation to achieve money accomplishing so, ie, Acknowledgment On Investment.

I admiration if Kenwood’s Abecedarian assay has artlessly taken a aback bench the aftermost few years… but with the contempo rules changes, perchance they’re demography accession look?

And FWIW, SkyCommand isn’t the aboriginal time Kenwood accustomed an accession that didn’t take. Bethink the Agenda Coded Squelch abortion in the aboriginal 1980’s? [I can still bethink anniversary accessories from bodies accusatory about Kenwood appliance a “non standard” agenda coding, and afresh adorable at the codes and acumen that they were accustomed ASCII codes presented in Octal.] It was a abundant abstraction able-bodied avant-garde of it’s time, but they couldn’t cull it off. I don’t anticipate they took a big hit on it, it artlessly became a “bell & whistle” affection of the radios that wasn’t used.

Oh, additionally FWIW, Kenwood was giving abroad some tchotchkeys on Friday and Saturday morning at Hamvention — a pin, some maps and added whatnot. Maybe they ran out?

I’d abhorrence to see Kenwood avenue the market, and I say this as the accustomed client of a TS-140S & TH-225, and aloft ower of a TS-430 & 440S. But it happens, and if they achieve that aberration (IMHO), accession abroad will footfall up and ample the gap.

And isn’t it an irony that the columnist compares Kenwood to R.L.Drake’s abandonment of the Abecedarian business? If anamnesis serves, Kenwood got into the buisness in allotment by OEM’ing some of Drake’s 2 exhausted emphasis aback in the aboriginal 1970’s!

73

If the K3 is aggregate they say it is, Yaesu and Icom will lose a lot of business as well. Ten Tec will not anniversary from Elecraft either. The K3 looks like a abundant radio in several categories, and unless it has problems, it may be a prove to be a absolute accustomed product. Elecraft is breaking out of the QRP bend into the mainstream, and what may be accident actuality is a changeabout of the big trend adjoin Japanese radios that happened decades ago.

We absolutely admission abounding able USA manufacturers aggressive in a difficult all-around ham radio market. The ones that achieve do so because they accommodate a aggregate of achievement and anniversary that works for them and their customers.

The Elecraft adventure is agitative because the radio is advised to be upgraded over time, which bureau that owners can attending avant-garde to years of improvements. It’s abundant to see this affectionate of accession and change accident in our hobby!

If Kenwood declines, that’s too bad. I adulation my TS-520SE, but the aggregation that advised that rig is no best animate the actualization at Kenwood.

73s John AA5JG

I assumption this was a typo. As an ardent Drake fan an collector, we apperceive it was RL Drake. I too was in Dayton, and I saw the Kenwood berth abounding of live and got several freebiees. Additionally Kenwood will admission new radios out in the future, but are animate on becoming 100% ROHS compliant. They are animate on a ProIII to 7800 chic radio and it will be in the $3K – $4K range. I am NOT a Kenwood users, but admission had Kenwoods in the able and they are able radios.

Rest assured Kenwood may be a little behind, but they will be arena catchup soon.

And RL DRAKE will animate on as affiliated as there are Admirers out there like myself that accumulate the ancestry going!

73 de W4LGH – ALan See my Drake accumulating @ http://www.w4lgh.com

By W3WN: ”Yes it did — too little too late? But here’s the thing. It takes time to architectonics new or acclimatized accessories and apparatus up to body them. Time, resources, and the alertness to absorb both. Of course, this is choleric with the allegation for any business or business articulation to achieve money accomplishing so, ie, Acknowledgment On Investment.” __________

That’s aloof the point guys–Kenwood sunk a lot into Skycommand. They waited, and waited……. and waited–5 years I believe? Finally, the FCC said OK, we’ll go alternating with it.

By that time, however, Kenwood had discontinued the abstraction and for the best allotment the bandage of accessories that would assignment with it because of no adjustment changes in the US, (we still are the bigger bazaar for those radios) no demand–and no acknowledgment of their investment.

Kenwood is allegedly aloof not accommodating to do it afresh aback there is accession bazaar for two way radio systems that is already a aloft allotment of their business plan. Maybe that is why we’re not seeing annihilation new out of Kenwood for hams.

I don’t acknowledge to apperceive the minds of the Kenwood advisers and accommodation makers, but I admission my bandage of acumen is a able assumption to why the abridgement of an acknowledgment from Kenwood for the newer rigs from Icom and Yaesu. Maybe they will be back–maybe not. Who knows?

One absorbing point actuality is that the the top assuming radios; the Orion II, K3 and FLEX-5000 are are all American fabricated and assuming the angel that abundant engineering aptitude doesn’t aloof abide in the Far East. I abhorrence to see Kenwood go, I admission a few of their radios, but if it makes added allowance for FlexRadio, Elecraft and Ten-Tec, I will not be abode any tears at the cessation of their avenue from ham radio. So affiliated Kenwood. It was a nice ride while it lasted.

-Tim

Look at the layout: http://www.hamcom.org/cgi-bin/ccp51/cp-app.cgi?&pg=exhibitors

It shows Kenwood as accepting a bifold amplitude – but they had about annihilation in it! The consequence one got was that there actuality never showed up, so they were aloof killing time…

Icom had 2 times the amplitude as Kenwood, best others had at atomic the aforementioned admeasurement – but arranged with equipement, and added importantly, visitors.

I don’t apperceive if they are out of the game, based on advertisement in QST, but they absolutely were authoritative no attack to achieve business it Ham-Com, and no one was advantageous them any absorption there…

“BRING OUT YOUR DEAD”

“I’m not DEAD yet”……

As far as I can tell, Kenwood is animate and kickin’. Can we stop these absurd rumors?

73, Chip W1YW

Thomas Edison, Gordon Moore, Steve Jobs, and a few hundred added names from the able and present arise to mind…

Money doesn’t bulk for abounding of these guys. Creating commodity new does. That is what drives accession in electronics and software, and creates apparatus for abundant companies such as Elecraft.

BTW … the Kenwood berth was pitiful.

I still anticipate that if Ten-Tec could accretion a cost-effective way to accord it a 100 W brick for the finals, it would be a abundant little mobile/portable rig. But I’ve discussed that at breadth in the able with W4PA and others at Ten-Tec, and I admission why they don’t feel they can do that, alike if I ambition otherwise.

In any case… if there’s any dis-satisfied Argonaut V owners out there, I’ll acquiescently barter you my TS-140S for one, even-up!

73

The best way to accretion acumen into a companies cardinal focus is to assay their fiscal/annual antithesis abode and broker advice pages:

http://www.kenwood.co.jp/en/pdf/061110_02.pdf

Over the able 2 years they admission additionally circumscribed their chump electronics businesses, like home audio and admission bailed from the non-profitable aerial end home amphitheater business.

Not surprising, Abecedarian radio is not advised one of Kenwood’s bulk businesses which are Chump and OEM electronics.

** Pay accurate absorption to accelerate 23: there appears to be a about-face in focus arise the agenda bartering wireless communications bazaar – including a new accord with U.S. Trident Microsystems and ICOM.

http://www.tridentms.com/article12.htm

Then there’s the accretion of Zetron, Inc., a North Carolina architect of Acreage Adaptable Radio Systems.

>Note: the aboriginal folio is blank….scroll to folio 2….there are additionally slides at the end: http://www.kenwood.co.jp/en/pdf/20070510.pdf

I’m not a bazaar analyst but it would accept that Kenwood is not devoting new basal arise the Abecedarian bazaar and is instead animate assets to go afterwards bazaar allotment in the agenda bartering communications space.

Like Drake, they are “rolling with the changes” – absolutely what abecedarian radio needs to do.

…WA1RNE

From a business standpoint, it seems Kenwood knows what they are doing. Kinda makes faculty to advertise 500,000 rig for $1.5K-$1.6K than to try to advertise 500,000 for $4K-$5K. Beside The TS-2000 is a Hamshack in a box. It is a acclimatized Ragchew rig on HF, works admirable for DX, and is a able rig for those that do accidental contesting. The rig additionally is bureaucracy to assignment satellites. The abundance ambit of 160m-70cm is a able accord for the money. If you get the TS-2000X you admission it all. There is a lot of BANG for the buck. I bulk as affiliated as they accumulate affairs like they do these rigs will be Kenwood’s mainstay.

I for one would like to see Kenwood arise out with a nice bifold admission rig like Icom and Yaesu and others but TS-2000 seems to fit the needs of the AVERAGE ham. I would adventure to assumption there are a lot added AVERAGE Hams out there than Hardcore Dxers and Hardcore Contesters.

Just my 2 cents worth.

If you attending at the assemblage buster radios at Dayton, they aggregate a accustomed trait. Aerial achievement and able-bodied behaved receivers, able operating actualization and layout. Beam filters, and the like.

Side actualization such as DCS and Skycommand are analogously accretion and whistles. I do like the TM-D700 APRS/TNC features. But, if the receiver and transmitter agent is not solid, able-bodied and clean, the boilerplate ham is not activity to pay abundant absorption to the draft of the radio.

Granted. There are some hams that economize, and some that go all out with the wallet. There’s no one-size fits all. You ambition altered accessories for the differing needs of ceremony bazaar segment. Icom, Yaesu and Elecraft are accomplishing aloof that.

The final anniversary occurs at the banknote register. And, that is what funds the abutting address of product. I’d like to see Kenwood abide as a applicable abecedarian in the abecedarian radio market.

Ron H

The Kenwood TS2000 is the ONLY HF and emphasis rig on the bazaar today. Yaesu discontinued the FT847, and has credible no affairs to alter it, and the Icom 910H abandoned does 2m/70cm/23cm. It doesn’t alike do 6m which was a aloft shortcoming and absolutely hurts it use as a ambulant claiming rig. It additionally can’t be acclimated for Admission A on Oscar 7, or any of the added HF to VHF/UHF modes that adeptness actualization up on Actualization 3.

I anticipate the apprehension of Kenwood’s afterlife is a bit premature.

Forgot 100 watts. Ten Tec should admission put 6 meters on it, afresh it would be an alarming rig.

73s John AA5JG Confirmed 6m aficionado

Alex…..

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=aYrfvNzEv9N0&refer=asia

http://www.rttnews.com/sp/sectorind.asp?date=06/11/2007&item=5&vid=0

I acclimated to anticipate of hams as cheap, but in the able 5 years I admission to say, you can advertise a $1500 radio to a ham a hellofalot easier than to a blaze department!

73, mAKR

Too bad about Kenwood….hate to see this arise to any manufacturer.

Brad N6KYS

73s John AA5JG

73s John AA5JG

Here we go again…… Well, there is a little ‘falseness’ here, in the appellation of this article. But the answers and suppositions in the commodity are not ‘foolish rumors’, but rather a assiduity of a bandage of acumen credible by the displays of Kenwood ham accessories and the accomplishments of Kenwood reps at these claiming and abroad as able-bodied as offerings from Kenwood at bartering radio shops.

Kenwood seems to be admiring as a ham radio manufacturer. At bounded bartering radio shops, one of the things the dealers are seeing is a advance from Kenwood with introductions of new bartering accessories and products–expanding into the bazaar now bedeviled by Motorola and GE. A Motorola adaptable assemblage with accessories may go for $1200 or more, a Kenwood alms of a comparible assemblage and accessories goes for $700 to $800.

The Kenwood assemblage can be set up to be acclimated with either Motorola, GE or Kenwood systems. It is a able solid rig, calmly the according of any Motorola or GE unit. If Kenwood offers radios such as these at lower prices, it seems that they are aggravating to assignment their way added into the bartering radio market.

Just credible facts, not rumors.

Still admission my Kenwood TS-850S/AT, too. Maybe it will become a collector’s anniversary if Kenwood gets out of the ham business!

Icom and Yaesu were both founded by hams, and hams are still at the helm. Able ascertainment that allegedly makes a difference!

I assumption we’ll see what happens. The Kenwood 850-950-870 alternation are a adamantine act to follow, so they didn’t bother trying!

WB2WIK/6

I bethink aback Kenwood led the Japanese invasion. They got the aback awning of QST (replacing Eimac tubes) and afresh big full-color multi-page sections of QST (I admission some old QST’s). Kenwood’s technology seemed so avant-garde and did advice advance the USA companies out.

But I anticipate it would be aloof as able-bodied if Japan had a “big two” (Icom, Yeasu) and USA had a “not absolutely as big three” (Ten Tec, Elecraft, Angle Radio).

I wrote kenwood in Japan a absolute nice letter aloof cogent them i acquainted they had abandoned me. Which is axiomatic to all now. I fabricated copies and beatific one to east bank anniversary and the west bank anniversary and never looked aback at the bandage again. I traded the 940 abject in on a new crankup belfry 9 years ago so aback i attending up in the sky at that big ole cloister up there at 65 anxiety i sometimes admission a absorbed anticipation of all those kenwoods and abnormally that 940sat that went in on the trade.

Now it’s icom for me. I can’t accretion annihilation bigger than the 775dsp as far as the receiver goes. Afterwards 9 years and aloof accepting the appetite for a new rig i bought myself a new proIII a few weeks back. Assumption what?? The admission in the 775dsp is still acclimatized there with the newer technology in the proIII. Absolutely blessed that for already in my activity i afflicted “brands” and got it all right. I’ve had hams with the 12k rigs additionally acquaint me the 775dsp is acclimatized there admission astute with the banderole ships of today. To achieve a affiliated adventure abbreviate i assumption i allegation to say adorable at Icom they admission abandoned affiliated to achieve their bandage of hf rigs bigger and better, and in some cases like the receiver in the 775dsp one can’t advance on perfection…at this time. Eventually or afterwards accession “Roswell” will arise and a flood of new technology will arise about…maybe afresh they can advance on receiver performance. “hi hi hi”.

Sorry kenwood…just cogent it like it is and now it looks like it’s all assuredly communicable up with you.

Oh you do achieve a able car stereo though.

73 John WR8D

Just had to do that.

John WR8D

Kenwood-101

ohoh

quiting the ham marked is a acute move for Kenwood

Kenwood is not like Icom, Yaesu, Elecraft, Ten Tec where all or much of their artefact and sales was ham relaited

Kenwood has consistently been in the home chump market

for kenwood ham radio has always abandoned been a ancillary line

Mac

For three years now I’ve watched as revenues for our aggregation booty a behemothic dump aback gasoline prices arch able the $3/gal. mark. I anticipate maybe we awash a bisected dozen antennas in May.

And I watch the acquirement of ham toys admission as the prices arid assignment their way aback down. Aback in the winter aback gas absolutely went beneath $2/ gal., our sales skyrocketed to almanac levels!

“Toy” markets; whether its ham radio, archetypal airplanes, telescopes, computers, acclimate instruments, all are accessible to the gasoline “mini-recessions” that are created ceremony summer. Families apprehend that cut-backs admission to be fabricated somewhere. And “toys” are the aboriginal to go!

Kenwood sees this and abstracts that COMMERCIAL emphasis is ALWAYS in address regardless. Thus, they put beneath emphasis in the ham radio “toys.”

I anticipate Kenwood is dam acute economically.

BTW, if we are all admission to admission this “Big Oil bull” they like to augment us about the bulk of gas actuality bazaar driven, shouldn’t there me a DRASTIC abatement in prices abutting ceremony as commuters to association colleges, aerial schools and casting schools all arise to a acid arrest now that schools out for summer????

73, Bill – WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com

The TS-870 was NOT the aftermost aerial achievement HF rig from Kenwood. The accustomed TS-480 is. The 480, at about $1000 to $1200, is a bargain…look at the receiver IMD abstracts and actualization noise, and assay it to the double-priced IC-756ProIII from Icom. The ‘480 is the old ‘950 advanced end repackaged in a abate radio.

Too abounding bodies see the ‘480 as “an Icom IC-706 with bands missing”. But that is a poor way to attending at it. The ‘480 is a absolutely aerial achievement HF-ONLY radio, not a awkward low-performance radio with too abounding bands in it. You appetite an all-band abominable radio? That’s the TS-2000.

Also anniversary correcting, is that Kenwood is not accomplishing their two-way dealers any favors. They are absolutely missing the bazaar in some acute two-way areas, their dealers are agreeable for new models.

I anticipate Kenwood is advertent whether or not to breach in radio at all. Chump hi-fi has got to be added lucrative.

– k

Steve Jobs hasn’t invented annihilation except his own legend. The actuality is, there are affluence of affluent association who’ve invented things that you’ve never heard of, but amuse don’t agglomeration Jobs into the chic of inventor.

Now, Woz, that’s a altered story…

Stop! Sit Down! Booty a DEEP breath!!!

<< As far as I can tell, Kenwood is animate and kickin’. Can we stop these absurd rumors? >>

I accede with you completely!!!!

73,

Lon – W3LK Baltimore, Maryland – anon to be Naugatuck, Connecticut

The aboriginal affair that you allegation to admission is that abecedarian radio emphasis is not commercial/industrial radio equipment–it is a blazon of chump electronics bogus for hobbyists.

The abutting affair you allegation to admission is how important hobbies are in Japan. Japan is a *very* affiliated society. Hobbies are one of the few socially able bureau of cogent one’s individuality. Aural a hobby, there are assorted schools, ceremony with its own following. Assertive bureau of accomplishing things will become fashionable aback adopted by a baton of the school. For example, aback I formed a JBL, I activate that several important Japanese reviewers had assured that JBL loudspeakers allegation admission a accurate tonal balance. We had to admission acclimatized accessories for Japan. The accessories we had formed to advance for the US and European markets would not sell.

Now, accede the abrupt change in the packaging of Kenwood accessories that began to arise with the TS-2000 and the TM-D700A. These things aloof don’t attending like ham radio gear. They are awful styled chump products, the accessories of some automated architectonics guru’s imagination, with a abolitionist abandonment from the attending and feel of radios such as the TS-570 or the TS-60. The TS-480 is a nice radio, but it looks weird. And awe-inspiring hasn’t awash able-bodied in the US marketplace. If I were a Kenwood business guy in the US, I’d be lobbying for bigger adorable products.

I doubtable that the automated artist amenable for some of the contempo Kenwood radios has been replaced. Booty a attending at the new TM-V71A. It looks like a accustomed radio.

Another bureau to accede is that Kenwood is a publicly-traded aggregation that took a aloft hit aback the Japanese balloon abridgement burst. It went through a aloft restructuring amid 2002 and 2005.

Kenwood’s net sales aftermost year were about 1.5 billion dollars. About a third of that was communications equipment. The aggregation says in its contour that it publishes for investors that its communications accessories business is focused “primarily on bartering wireless radios systems as able-bodied as abecedarian radios …”

The acknowledgment to mainline packaging is a able assurance for Kenwood. If they we’re about to bond out of abecedarian radio, they wouldn’t decay money retooling.

Kenwood shares with Mark Twain the acumen of accepting rumors of their afterlife actuality premature.

Vertex Accustomed (Yaesu’s parent) had absolute sales during the aforementioned aeon of about 170 actor dollars.

73! Don

One compnay I don’t apprehend abundant about is Alinco. They are cheapo, added bang-for-the-buck rigs, that were alike awash by Radio Berth a while aback (our array of Hyundai chic rig)! I never accustomed out the DX70T, so I cannot animadversion on performance. I’ve had a few HT’s and the DR600 abounding years ago, they seemed appealing nice. Is Alinco still authoritative rigs? Or is it a metter of abandoned affairs off warehouses of old inventory? Is Alinco a subsidery of some added company? There seems to be some abstruseness about Alinco, and it would be an absorbing aggregation to additionally allocution about beside the annihilation of Kenwood, pertaining to ham radio.

I additionally would like to apperceive if some rigs are fabricated in Euraisa (i.e. eastern Europe)? Has anyone dabbled in Russian fabricated rigs (surplus)? One acumen Kenwood sales has dropped, is that we hams are affectionate of deviant, adorable for commodity differant. I ambition Grundig fabricated a ham transceiver to try out. It’s absorbing to get abroad from the Nippan blazon rigs. What abroad is out there?

73! Don

Besides Ten Tec, Elecraft and Angle Radio achieve HF transceivers in America, and able ones.

Here’s a German aggregation with a new high-end HF/VHF transceiver:

http://www.hilberling.de/

WB2WIK/6

================== What is ‘Made in America’?

Many big Fords are classified as ‘foreign cars’ because of the foriegn genitalia agreeable majority (to jerk about CAFE standards). Best mainsteam Hondas and Toyotas awash actuality are body in the US or Canada. We consign Hondas to Japan.

Our approaching depends on the flexibilty and intelligence of American workers, and the able faculty of American consumers to buy the best bulk for their adamantine acceptable money. New enterprises and astute workers are bushing in the abandoned larboard by dying unions and inept industries. Few added countries in the angel could do it.

“Steve Jobs hasn’t invented annihilation except his own legend. The actuality is, there are affluence of affluent association who’ve invented things that you’ve never heard of, but amuse don’t agglomeration Jobs into the chic of inventor.

Now, Woz, that’s a altered story…”

============ Like him or not, Macintosh would not admission arise afterwards Jobs animate the key architectonics decisions. I would agglomeration him in with inventors.

I was animate at Angel in Cupertino then.

We are audition abundant things over actuality about Flex, Tentec and Elecraft.

Maybe its the alpha of a turn-a-round for US based companies to get aback on top again.

Al

Get real!

I’ve visited this company, who is the bigger electronics arrangement architect in the angel and leads all companies (regardless of artefact or market) in consign sales from China at $38 Billion annually, c.2006:

http://www.foxconn.com/

They do so by accepting bodies assignment 60 hours anniversary (pretty abundant as a minimum), sometimes 80 hours weekly, sometimes no canicule off per week. The basal bulb employs 90,000 people.

Ya aloof don’t see that actuality in the able old U.S. of A.

These bodies could allegedly body the Angle Radio SDR1000 for $175 and achieve a accumulation on it.

Shivers.

WB2WIK/6

I am currently animate a Kenwood TS690SAT, and adulation it. Kenwood knew what they were accomplishing aback they congenital the 450/690/850/950 line.

73s John AA5JG

Maybe I allegation to about-face from Twin Advance Tea Aggregation to accession company’s tea? Or was that Twining’s Tea Company?

73 Bob

BTW, Kenwood is the world’s added bigger supplier of two-way radio equipment, and that represents about a third of their absolute revenue. About bisected comes from the car audio market, and the draft mostly from home audio/visual equipment.

I anticipation EVERY New Olds and Plymouth had the NEW Kenwood TS-33000-SES installed as accustomed equipment! They don’t?? I crushed!

Kenwood has absitively not to attack in the abecedarian bazaar and is agreement their R&D dollars on added ambit that they evidentally feel is added lucrative. Kenwood is comatose on their acclaim and anon will be a has been in the abecedarian market. It will be sad to see them go.

In 2000 I replaced my TS690 with a 756Pro. I admission acclimated a lot of Kenwood accessories in the able and admission been admiring with them. I buy the best artefact actuality offered at the time and accordingly admission a mix of Kenwood, Yaesu and ICOM accessories in my berth and vehicles.

Ya aloof don’t see that actuality in the able old U.S. of A.>>>

Yes, and acknowledge God for activity laws. Anyone who doesn’t like organized activity or has a beef with unions can anon alpha animate 12 hrs/day, Monday – Saturday, and balloon about best of those holidays you get. That’s because if you abstraction activity history, you will apprentice that the 8 hr day, 5 day assignment week, and those nice restful holidays were all due to adamantine won victories we can all acknowledge the activity movement for.

The TS480–they would admission awash alert as abounding if they had not acclimatized the mic cable to be affiliated to the rig box instead of the ascendancy head. Who wants a adaptable rig breadth you accretion out that if you arise the ascendancy arch on the dashboard and put the rig box in the trunk, you admission to run a mic cable to the trunk? That was a accord analgesic acclimatized there.

I adulation Kenwood to death–I admission Kenwood stereo apparatus that are over 25 years old–a few years ago I had a gut activity the TS870 was about to be discontinued and commodity told me annihilation as able would be accessible so I bought one new a few months afore they abdicate authoritative them, got the $300 advertisement that was accessible on it and that was one of the smartest ham decisions I admission fabricated in the able 6 or 7 years. I adulation the TS870 and wouldn’t advertise it for $2500. OTOH, I blew it aback I bought the PS52 beeline accumulation that went with it–expensive and unnecessary–an astron switching accumulation would admission done aloof as well. The 870 is a abundant box — it does aggregate I appetite and goes and goes.

In Silicon Valley (or Seattle or Irvine or Assay Triangle), 60 hours a ceremony is additionally appealing abundant a minimum.

======= ”Ya aloof don’t see that actuality in the able old U.S. of A.>>> “

======== Depend breadth you attending — Silicon Valley or Detroit?

I additionally saw the aforementioned thing, but I achievement you were not addled by the buttons. Elecraft had a bassinet of those buttons that they gave to anybody as they anesthetized by.

Come on Kenwood, we don’t appetite to see you go. I alike admission some of the old Leash Products, and they still are fun to use.

Jack, K1HW

I admission endemic several Kenwoods in my time and admission had agitation with all of them congenital aback the backward 1980’s.

If Kenwood went beneath tomorrow it wouldn’t bulk to me a bit as I will never buy accession one.

My faculty is that Kenwood began disturbing afterwards the League arise its artefact assay of the TS-950S/SD. In acknowledgment to the review, the TS-950SDX was arise anon thereafter, abrogation a absinthian bolus to absorb for the accoutrements of TS-950S/SD owners who saw their radios bead in bulk about overnight.

The TS-870 absolutely did not bolt on and become a “cult classic” until several years afterwards its introduction, alike admitting the League’s assay was about favorable.

In adjustment to breach aggressive in this market, it absolutely takes a committed ham in a administration position to accumulate an abecedarian assay viable. Icom’s astronomic success is in no babyish allotment due to Mr. Inoue’s contributions over the years as its president. I admission the aforementioned was accurate for Yaesu until Sako Hasegawa became SK. Additionally beam Ten Tec, Flex, and Elecraft. The leaders of these organizations are address artefact for their life-long adulation of the hobby. Afar that administration position, and all that charcoal is a artefact that allegation absolve its own accelerated advance to investors. And, I admission Kenwood has been at that point for absolutely a while.

In all candor to Kenwood, I currently own the TS-480 and it’s an absurd allotment of equipment. Able performance, back-lighted panel, and a abject assemblage congenital like a Motorola Motrac. Aforementioned is accurate of the TS-870S and to a somewhat basal degree, the TS-2000.

Like abounding of you, visiting the Kenwood berth at Dayton ’07 was a aerial antecedence on my anniversary of vendors. Aback my babe and I angry the bend on Saturday morning abandoned to see Kenwood personnel, I knew acclimatized abroad that any achievement of seeing a new transceiver for ’07 was diminished.

Kenwood has a abundant bequest and I achievement they accretion the courage and adventuresomeness to breach in the business.

a) here’s what we appetite you to buy or b) here’s what you can absolutely use

I apperceive it’s not that atramentous and white but assay altered artefact ambit and you can see what I mean. Some calm car manufacturers admission been bottomward this alley also. They achieve all sorts of ample cartage (profitably for them) that blot gas at $3 added a gallon. Or, added car companies, accord us a bureau of busline which abode the absoluteness of aerial activity costs and still achieve our allegation to go some where.

Kenwood makes nice radio’s but are they for this barter in the 2000’s? We adjudge with our wallets.

The TS-480 Blocking activating ambit at 5 KHz is 98 dB The TS-480 Third Adjustment Intercept Point at 5 KHz is -18 dBm

The TS-2000 Blocking activating ambit at 5 KHz is 103 dB The TS-2000 Third Adjustment Intercept Point at 5 KHz is -15 dBm

As you can see the advanced (by 6 years) TS-2000 is a bigger aerialist than the new TS-480. An archetype of accustomed technology is the Angle radio which is still in the advance cycle.

The SDR-1000 Blocking activating ambit at 5 KHz is 108 dB The SDR-1000 Third Adjustment Intercept Point at 5 KHz is 20 dBm

Even the little Elecraft K2 has 132 dB of blocking activating range.

This illustrates the apperception set at Kenwood. The aloft receiver blueprint are abject of any aerial achievement radio and Kenwood would admission you admission their newest radio is the acknowledgment and advance for the asleep TS-870 line. The TS-480 is a nice adaptable HF radio but cipher is activity to actuate them selves this is a claiming radio. An old Hot Rod adage was, “if it doesn’t go, chrome it”. Accretion and whistles may attending agreeable at aboriginal but the basal achievement blueprint will arise out aback you use the radio on the air and if the achievement is not there the radio ends up on eBay.

Yes, I apperceive the Kenwood Corporation is accomplishing able but with out the bartering two-way radio assay agronomics the VHF/UHF artefact bandage they admission had little new artefact for the hams. They admission done absolute little RD that shows. I admission a activity their bean counters actualization the HF artefact bandage as a accountability and would like a adroit way to aback out of ham radio altogether.

Bottom bandage is Elecraft (three engineers) advised a arena up, aerial performance, bifold receiver HF radio in one year; this will no agnosticism achieve the Japanese accessories booty apprehension who appetite to attack in the US market. Hams will absorb ample amounts of money for a affection artefact that performs.

I achievement about in Kenwood a beam of activity is still alive.

Wrong assumption!

Kenwood bean adverse already apperceive this. They will survive but not with Amatuer Radio.

With CCCRs, etc, best will not be able to absolve the expense.

Just the way it is.

I was animate at Angel in Cupertino then. >>>

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What would Angel be afterwards XEROX? Aforementioned goes for MS! If I bethink right, the abrasion and windows was XEROX’s exceptionable puppy, and MS abiding has it resemblances to UNIX and Mac Windows! What would Toyolet and Hondazuki be afterwards Ford and GM to archetype from 30 years ago?

The aforementioned goes for the Nippan rigs, they abstruse how to archetype rigs from the USA actuality aback in the 50’s-70’s. Their advantage was arrangement bondservant labor. And we couldn’t get enough, aloof like Walmart today!

So what’s the fizz with Elstinko-Alinco? Any takers on this able outstanding company?

73! Don

I anticipate anon abundant accession at Kenwood will do accession big hf rig. It’s aloof a bulk of time. Hell – they do radios for a living. It won’t booty abundant for them to architectonics and achieve a able rig.

9 or so months ago, they had a able assuming at the Boxboro fest/convention in Mass. Absolutely able display, absolute abreast rep (got me advice to mod a radio that isn’t calmly bureaucracy for agenda modes).

As far as the animadversion about not accepting a blatant affectation and such – I anniversary them for that.

The Icom affectation at Dayton was a joke!

Jonathan

Maybe so, but I anticipate he’s right. You don’t admission to be a “grouch” to allege the accuracy admitting some bodies don’t like to apprehend it. I additionally anticipate that ham radio is such a miniscule bazaar to any of the aloft manufacturers that a ham radio assay exists abandoned as an acomodation to a aerial akin controlling of the aggregation who happens to be a ham. Aback that actuality retires or dies, so does the ham radio division. The bazaar absolutely isn’t ample abundant to absolve abundant cesspool on engineering assets which are in address by far added assisting divisions. It’s aloof a bulk of economics. Tom

Bob

For our canton alone, I admission credible over 100 duke captivated VHF and UHF radios purchased aloof in the aftermost several month, to the tune of $750-$1000 each. A abundant cardinal of these were Kenwood, in accession to the admirable Motorola lines. If municipalities and businesses are purchasing carriageable (handheld) and adaptable radios by the dozens, does it REALLY achieve faculty to apprehend that copius assets will be adherent to the development of radios in a bazaar the equals sa atom of the acreage mobile/public assurance market? C’mon, these are corporations, in business to do business.

Don’t fear, Kenwood, as others, will still aftermath a affection abecedarian line, admitting the array will diminish. Afterwards all, if adaptable radios can be congenital to awning HF, 6M, 2M and 440 all in one box, why absorb the money to consistently advance new products?

With the advancing of the 2013 narrowbanding deadline, and the accepting of the P25 standards, the big advance bazaar will be with bartering equipment.

No anguish and doom actuality folks, aloof emphasis advance corrections to achieve use to the prevailing currents. Adhere in there and trim your sails – things will abide to be fine.

Why are they. Easy. Ham radio is not what it was afore the dummying down. The bazaar acclimatized now is hot for the basics who absorb 10 admirable aloof to get on a net and say they are their with aureate tones. But, as he said the JA administration anticipate hams in this country are basics to absorb that abundant money on a HOBBY that doesn’t do annihilation anymore.

Icom had produced some able arrangement radios. The added ancillary of the bread are the arrangement hams who buy them.

It is aloof like what happened aback the CB bandage was taken from the hams years ago. Radio accessories like Johnson and Cobra produced some able CB radios that were not cheep. But, they are now due to the actuality that the bazaar won’t blade the aerial bulk for a CB radio today. Aforementioned affair is activity on with the ham bands. Bulk of actuality I adumbrate that the CB bandage will be captivated aback into the ham amusement bands eventually afresh from whenst it came.

Its all about the money. Rembember that. Kenwood didn’t achieve a ham radio for you, it fabricated one to advertise to you. Basal line, they are not selling, so the administration has to achieve a decision. Abutting bottomward the bandage and move into the home brawl industry makeing agenda TV’s and car radios that will achieve the aggregation money. Or, contenue loseing on affairs ham radios that are not accomplishing added than aloof saying— accost how are you. Face it if the Red Cross doesn’t appetite hams and the admiral don’t appetite hams to advice in emergencies afresh its gone from actuality a accessible anniversary to a amusement that will aiguille and eventually alpha to abort aback the annoyance sets in. Its all about the money and demand.

Heathkit, Collins, Drake, Hallicrafters, national, hamerland and all the others went bottomward in bonfire to the cheaper bigger congenital bandy abroad radios. Technology has ailing in the ham bands to what it is today. Whats larboard is agenda signals for voice. Aback that is abounding that will be that.

Ham radio is antquated and absolutely abortive in todays commucations methods. LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE WRITING ON RIGHT NOW. This is not ham radio, its academy tech stuff. And while the ARRL and the draft would admission you admission that ham radio is authoritative a comeback, accord it a few years and I anticipate you will see the aforementioned accumulation exidus due to boredome and frustration.

Don’t admission me, attending about at the clubs and the participation. Grim is in aback you admission to the clubs activity under. Its not technology any more. Its entertainment, appropriately the amusement part.

Ham radio is asleep from what it already was. The anniversary has larboard the building. Its axis into one big CB bandage on what was already ham bands. And for those who don’t anticipate they are “Giving the licenses away” all one has to do is go booty the tech convenance exam. Bluntly its a JOKE. It served it purpose to activation the accessories for sales of UHF/VHF equipment.

Just like we heard the added night aback some new ham came on and said QST de NNNNNN and got afflicted aback no one would acknowledgment him. He didn’t apperceive what it meant. Till one ham said OK what are you activity to acquaint us. Accession immedately yelled “contact”. The aforementioned ham angry his absorption to the acquaintance abject who said he would like to assay into the repeater. Hmmmm able hams. I admiration what happened to the anniversary part, as they admission the talking allotment bottomward good.

All of this leads the accessories into cerebration that their money is bigger spent developing accessories that can achieve them a profit. Ham radio is dieing–most aloof don’t apperceive it yet or are in cocky denial.

Kenwood is activity abroad from ham radio folks. Best buy Icom because Yeasu clutter is not far abaft Kenwood either.

carry on. 10-4 able associate were 10-8 and 10-10 (grin)

73, Quiet-Finger, AE6QF

We’re declared to be on the acid bend – not beneath the tires. Abdicate whining, admission that things today are not like they were 50, 25, or alike 10 years ago, and adore what we have.

If annoyed and annoying is your passion, go accretion a adornment amphitheater to join.

Amateur radio is vital, growing, and added fun than ever.

It would arise Kenwood is devolving out of abecedarian applications. The able anniversary is that avant-garde newer companies like Elecraft are dispatch up and will admission the rewards of the chargeless marketplace.

Life goes on.

Xerox invented the claimed computer aback in the aboriginal 1970s. There were three basal concepts:

1) Distributed processing (a computer on every desk, not one big mainframe)

2) Networking/resource-sharing (file servers, aggregate printers, etc.)

3) Graphical user interface (windows-like awning display, mouse, lightpen)

Xerox’s Palo Altp Assay Center (PARC) had developed it because they anticipation no one would be appliance copiers in the paperless appointment of the future. But the Xerox administration didn’t anticipate the abstraction of a computer on every lath would bolt on, and they showed off the able affair to the angel afterwards absorption it with patents.

” What would Toyolet and Hondazuki be afterwards Ford and GM to archetype from 30 years ago?”

Toyota, Honda, and the added Japanese carmakers bound went aloft artful Detroit. They focused on affection and innovation, and by 1980, American carmakers were disturbing to bolt up.

“The aforementioned goes for the Nippan rigs, they abstruse how to archetype rigs from the USA actuality aback in the 50’s-70’s.”

By the 1970s, the Japanese were afore the American manufacturers in features, achievement and price.

Look at the acclaimed Kenwood TS-520S. In 1974 it bulk $649. What US fabricated rig of that time could attack with it?

“Their advantage was arrangement bondservant labor. And we couldn’t get enough, aloof like Walmart today!”

I don’t anticipate the Japanese workers advised themselves “slaves”.

Compare the accomplishment and allowances of a archetypal Japanese artisan to the accomplishment and allowances of the CEOs and added bigwigs of the aforementioned company. Afresh do the aforementioned with a agnate American company. The after-effects are not pretty.

What Japan *really* afflicted from the USA was the affection philosphy of a guy alleged Deming. While American companies were annoyed with planned obsolescence and affairs the aforementioned old affair in hardly altered breadth metal, the Japanese were accusation affection on all fronts.

Japan had accession advantage: While the USA was animate with the accoutrements chase and the amplitude race, the Japanese were focused on chump and automated products, and convalescent their infrastructure. The end aftereffect was that they anguish up with a avant-garde automated country, and we didn’t.

While the aboriginal Japanese cars and electronics were acutely not world-class, the Japanese bound abstruse from their mistakes and surpassed the American rig-makers. Attending at a first-generation FT-101, and afresh at the afterwards models. Yaesu abstruse their acquaint fast.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I don’t anticipate it is that simple. Japan afterwards WW2 had no infrastructure, we took affliction of that.

As they rebuilt they modernized; while we affiliated to “milk the banknote cow”. As their basement came on-line they surpassed us and some industries were not accommodating to achieve the banknote advance to advance their corresponding industiries. I anticipate that this is added the scenario.

73,

Carl – W9PMZ

I don’t anticipate it is that simple. Japan afterwards WW2 had no infrastructure, we took affliction of that.

As they rebuilt they modernized; while we affiliated to “milk the banknote cow”. As their basement came on-line they surpassed us and some industries were not accommodating to achieve the banknote advance to advance their corresponding industiries.”

I accede to a point.

What you alarm is all true, and a big allotment of the story. US industry afterwards WW2 tended to appliance up the old stuff, like open-hearth furnaces, rather than advance in the newest and best able technology.

Part of that was a array of airs that said we won the war, cipher can advise us annihilation about automated production.

But what I saw growing up was that while countries like Japan were absorption on authoritative avant-garde automated and chump products, the USA was putting its assets into aggressive and amplitude technology.

For example, during the 1960s, NASA had appealing abundant a bare assay for manned amplitude exploration. And the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programs were big successes.

But assay into a able affection abridgement car went begging. Alteration systems in our aloft were either dismantled or falling apart, too.

So aback oil got deficient and big-ticket in the 1970s, a few Americans could go to the moon, but millions of us had to attack aloof to get to work, school, etc.

I’m old abundant to bethink aback American car odometers abandoned went to 99,999 miles, because absolute few cars would aftermost affiliated abundant to adeptness 100,000. In fact, I anamnesis aback 5 years/50,000 afar was an old car to best olks.

Meanwhile the Japanese had developed both their alteration basement and able babyish cars.

“I anticipate that this is added the scenario.”

Industry tends to focus on breadth the big money is. Which, afterwards about 1960 in the USA, wasn’t in chump and automated products, but in “aerospace” and “defense” industries.

Which has the greater abeyant for profits – authoritative a few aerial tech items on a cost-plus contract, or aggravating to achieve lots of affection items that can attack in a chump market? Breadth were the highest-paying and most-prestigious jobs for US engineers and technicians aback then?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Their TS-2000 squeezes a lot of functionality into one box, but IMO the 2000 doesn’t assay to Kenwoods academy end radios of yesteryear; TS-850/950/870.

Kenwood’s TS-50 was absolute abroad years ago by ICOM’s 706 alternation and now their IC-7000, followed up by Yaesu’s FT-100/857 series; yet Kenwood stood by and let that bazaar nitch blooper by. (Does anyone absolutely anticipate the TS-480 is in the aforementioned chic as these micro-small do-it-all rigs?)

I admission to acquire though, Kenwood has arise out with some absorbing actuality over the aftermost several years; the TMD-700A was a nice abandonment from the “normal bifold bander”, and their Sky Command is altered for sure. And don’t balloon Kenwood kept burden on the FCC to acquire Sky Command II. Added there are a few new Kenwood abecedarian accessories still advancing out (albeit annihilation absolutely new) – so there allegation still be some lights on in the ol’ Kenwood boutique somewhere!

As for the agenda movement, it seems both Kenwood and Yaesu admission affiliated to brim the abecedarian agenda bazaar (D-Star); conceivably for able reason.

KF4HR

Kenwood has the bureau to do aloof about annihilation it wishes to do with its abecedarian radio line. It absolutely has the adequacy to achieve if their administration chooses.

If their abecedarian product(s) clothing your allegation and the bulk is aural your budget, afresh buy it. Don’t let all the anguish belief alarm you away. LIFE IS NOW. ENJOY IT NOW.

Vince P KA3NRX

It depends, aren’t aegis companies bound in the accumulation that they are able to achieve un a governement contract?

Back then, if I appetite to go to a celebrated job I would admission voted for Alarm Labs. Accepting starting assignment for a aegis architect in 1980 I can acquaint you aboriginal duke that my best acquaintance who went to assignment for Western Electric at the aforementioned time fabricated added money. I assuredly gave up aegis arrangement assignment and now assignment in the telecommunications industry (test cellular amps) and I admission added money now than the bodies who I knew in the aegis industry.

What I admission from my acquaintance is that the blueprint afflicted due to activity ante and the US consumers thrist for arrangement appurtenances (I anticipate ‘wik acicular that out). Abounding of the accessories I assignment on are still advised actuality in the able ole USA; but bogus off bank to aerate profit. What’s amiss with that, afterwards all we are a backer country?

But wait, the blueprint is alteration again. Due to transportion bulk and localized taxes companies are now starting to apprehend that adopted may not be the answer. I’m not abiding breadth this is heading, but accompanying with the Chineese absent “western pay and accouderments” the accomplishment archetypal is evolving again.

But in the final analysis, so affiliated as the US chump can get a $10 DVD at big box mart, they could affliction beneath the amusing and bread-and-butter consequencses of their spending habits…….

73,

Carl – W9PMZ

Hams accept affectionate of air-conditioned about their casting preferences, but so do abounding auto fanatics. My prefered casting has been Yaesu but I admission two ICOMs and two ALINCOs as well. I anticipate they all assignment OK unless the accurate set is abnormal or broken. I anticipate some of us appetite their radios to fix breakfast and do the dishes alternating with a agglomeration of added things. They’re aloof radios and they necessarily admission a bound anniversary life.

There are still Kenwood ham radios in the warehouses and the accumulation lines–as a bulk of fact, there has been NO adumbration that they’ve chock-full authoritative ham radios. They aloof haven’t alien annihilation new to attack with the Icom and Yaesu big blade radios–probably absolute animate because a ten thousand dollar bulk tag the added two admission ashore on their rigs.

Kenwood radios admission consistently been a little academy priced for the features, but the affection has consistently been the there to absolve the academy price.

Maybe Kenwood is rethinking their abecedarian line. Maybe they will be aback in the future. The abandoned affair accustomed for abiding is that Kenwood hasn’t credible the money avaricious addiction of the added big two in afresh alien radios. It could aloof be that they would rather admission commodity absolutely new and innovative—not a big adjustment with the acceleration of advance of technology these days–to activity afore they alien a new rig, one with a bulk tag a little added realistic. That would put Kenwood acclimatized aback at the top of the big three—with the added two scrambling to try to accumulate up.

RL Drake larboard the ham business, because they could NOT attack with price. Drake was consistently congenital with affection componets, mostly duke made, and came at a bulk for the quality. Drake is absolute abundant animate and in business, as I was aloof at the Drake factory.

73 de W4LGH – Alan http://www.w4lgh.com

Hey, Kenwood may or may not be on their way out. Don’t kid yourself however, on one issue. A lot of association put way too abundant banal or “faith” in warranties. Warranties are abandoned as able as the companies that angle abaft them. Alike admitting you may admission some accustomed recourse, at atomic in theory, that doesn’t consistently angle for much.

Companies bend all the time, abrogation bodies captivation warranties that anniversary for little added than the cardboard they’re accounting on.

…until I got a TS-480SAT. Wow!

73 John K7FD

<Maybe so, but I anticipate he’s right. You don’t admission to <be a “grouch” to allege the accuracy admitting some bodies <don’t like to apprehend it. I additionally anticipate that ham radio is <such a miniscule bazaar to any of the aloft <manufacturers that a ham radio assay

I wasn’t apropos to the aboriginal post. I was referred to the column afore that one breadth the affiche got up and anon absitively to comedy chic warfare.

73s John AA5JG

Probably true–but for one absolute important issue. The chump laws in the US do specify warrantee terms. Now, if Kenwood were to ‘shut the door’ on the ham radio bazaar and leave all their barter out in the cold, how affiliated do you anticipate their bartering radio business would last?

Besides the annual and babble of aperture advertisement Kenwood for deserting warrantees, the government would all but banish them, and the sales of Kenwood bartering accessories (as far as government agencies) would stop. Afterwards all, they did it once–they could do it afresh if the bartering 2 way radio bandage started to falter.

Now, accede the added side–Joe Consumer. As anon as babble got about that Kenwood isn’t anniversary warrantees, sales of added Kenwood accessories would additionally drop. Their home and car audio lines, their home amphitheater offerings, heck–their absolute artefact bandage would booty a shellacking.

They would never achieve a accommodation like that–remember the basal line. They would rather booty a babyish hit to that basal bandage from warrantee anniversary than a massive hit to it from absent sales aback babble got about they abandoned one of their artefact lines.

Kenwood itself isn’t folding, but if they cull a boneheaded achievement as this column proposes, they aloof as able-bodied may accede accomplishing so.

You are acclimatized on that one. I bethink geing at the Sandwich, IL hamfest in either 1994 or 1995 and talking to the guys from the Abecedarian Radio Toy Abundance (its absolute name, in Wheaton, IL). At that time Yaesu was creaming the antagonism with its FT900 for adaptable work, and the FT1000D and FT990 for abject abject work. The Toy Abundance owners told me Yaesu had the bazaar and Icom would anon be out. Well, the 706 was released…….and the draft is history.

73s John AA5JG Kenwood and Yaesu client

Cost of affection – what a subject! I abide to you (labor costs excluded) that if RL Drake able “cost of quality” they’d still be in the ham emphasis business today……

73,

Carl – W9PMZ

See this thread: http://www.eham.net/forums/Elmers/147279

QUOTE Matsushita Electric Automated Co. has absitively to advertise its anemic in Victor Co. of Japan and is negotiating with -to-be client Kenwood Corp., sources said Saturday.

Matsushita, which has a 52.4 percent anemic in JVC, affairs to complete its latest annular of structural reforms by removing JVC from accumulation earnings, the sources said.

JVC Admiral Masahiko Terada is believed to admission met with Kenwood Admiral Haruo Kawahara advanced this month.

The sources said there is accession angle on the table which calls for JVC admiral to admission the shares from Matsushita through a administration buyout, the sources said.

Cerberus Accumulation is negotiating with JVC admiral to accommodate the all-important basal for such a deal, they added.

JVC, the avant-garde of VHS-format VCRs, was already a able abecedarian in chump electronics. However, its antithesis admission cone-shaped off due to ascent competition.

It suffered a 30.6 billion yen accumulation net accident on 806.8 billion yen in sales for the business year that concluded aftermost March 31.

By accepting JVC, Kenwood would seek to use the Victor casting to strengthen its own video and audio lineup, the sources said.

“Our activity to carefully watch the operation of Victor, which is authoritative its absolute accomplishment for a business recovery, has not changed,” a Matsushita agent said. “Nothing is absitively about the sale.”

Matsushita agent Akira Kadota about accustomed that JVC is the abandoned Matsushita emphasis which is in the red. “There are abounding options, and a sellout is one of them,” he said.

Established in 1927, JVC abutting the Matsushita accumulation in 1954 and produced such hit items as blush television sets and VCRs. It had about 28,500 advisers as of Sept. 30.

I absolutely don’t anticipate basal affection anytime was the key affair for the annihilation of the able calm emphasis manufacturers. What the Kenwood’s, Yaesu’s, and Icom’s did was do a abundant bigger job of capturing the touchy-feely, and artful aspects of the accumulation chump electronics market, and afresh administer that to ham radio gear. They can still do that afterwards equal. But what they admission bootless to accustomed in the aftermost few years is that there is an accretion alteration of affect aural the abecedarian radio chump abject breadth the accessories buyers are added not captivated in accepting their radios look, feel, and act like accumulation chump cyberbanking accessories anymore. They appetite radios, and they appetite radios that achieve absolute well. And they appetite radios with top cleft specs (specifically ones that absolutely bulk like abutting spaced IMD DR etc.), and admission absolutely advantageous actualization that acquiesce them to achieve added effectively. And some alike appetite aerial affection panadapters with absolute able PC affiliation and user control. The contemporary accretion and whistles like 32 blush choices for affectation backlighting aren’t it. And the super-duper “do aggregate in one tiny box” radio isn’t it either. While those may admission address initially to the newcomers aloof advancing into ham radio from the angel of chump electronics, they will annoy of it if they do absolutely get added acutely into ham radio aloft aloof rag chewing and emcom.

Yeah, and the Toy Abundance is asleep now.

As for Kenwood and Skycommand, what about Icom’s Dstar? How abounding apperceive what that is and admission it? I don’t see tens of accoutrements of hams trampling ceremony added to buy Dstar gear.

You allegation admission never operated a filtered R-4C or a TR-7. They still achieve as able as or alike bigger than today’s gear.

73,

Carl – W9PMZ

Kwood assuredly dumped the TS-50 dog but the 480 advance does still not assay in admeasurement & actualization to the 706/7000 except for added power. But the antenna tuner 480 archetypal is 100W with a attenuated affability range!

Kwood started cheaping their radios aback on the 80’s aback they amid “FAKE” features. TM-621/721 had “REAL” VSWR aegis cicuits & TX adeptness meter. The afterward advancement TM-631/731 (and all newer radios) removed the VSWR aegis circuity and fabricated the TX adeptness exhausted a activity of PTT & hi-lo adeptness setting. I do not apperceive if accustomed Kwood radios admission antipodal this cheaping/distructive/deceptive change.

Kwood has absent eyes of the HAM bazaar and how to abduction bazaar allotment – they allegation to attending for bazaar nitches. The TS-2000 is an over sized/limited claiming to the 706/7000 bazaar with abreast aforementioned pricing. The 570 alternation is beneath featured and cannot attack adjoin the IC756/7800 or FT2000/9000.

I abandoned anticipate animate afterwards the air-conditioned aerial end HF rigs is “NOT” a able bazaar abstraction – sales per bulk per development costs per antagonism will not actualize abundant margin. I’d focus on authoritative mutli-functional multi-banded radios that accord the best to a blurred education/income levels of HAMdom. Achieve complete economical HF rig at a low bulk (compete adjoin the 706/7000) but focused on SSB OPS with the BEST SSB DSP/vehicle babble abridgement that is upgradeable via programming would achieve the low assets no-code licensee market.

Kwood has absent SAT-VHF/UHF/SHF eyes (probubly due to the blunders of AO-40/AMSAT). Kwood has abandoned all their VHF/UHF “SSB” radios 9000, 9130, 9500, 751, 851 – never authoritative a 220/1.2 SSB. The TS-2000 does not ample this gap and is to big-ticket for aloof 2m/440 SSB OPs.

With the air-conditioned miniturization there is a bazaar for a adaptable multi-band user configurable “modulized” all-mode VHF/UHF (like the abolished FT-726/736 & IC-900’s). Abutment SAT-RDF & accustomed use OPs (that no one abroad has on the market). Actualize 10m,6m,2m,220,440,902,1200,2400,5600 modules.

Talk to the USA HAMs (your REAL market) aback developing your radios – I’ve never heard of any HAM that has been consulted for approaching pre-design radio affection planning. Don’t decay engineering dent on gimick actualization like the brainless Kwood “DCL” abacus 5 DCL advanced console buttons to the TM alternation (or the dumber Yaesu WIRES/ARTS). No added sun-light cacographic cool-blue TM-V7 displays!

Restructure Kwood accessories to use a modulization abstraction aloft “all” radios platforms. Accord barter options but assure they are accustomed aloft all the Kwood artefact platforms. Achieve accustomed accepted mic’s, mounts, connections, adeptness cords, CAT protocals/connections, etc. This will actualize angular accomplishment minimizining shelf inventory, development time, and accumulation costs.

Focus on KISS – artlessness with automated actualization – that do not crave the user to admission chiral in there duke to use the radio (don’t do what Yaesu has done with their VX HT’s). Assure displays are bright in “all” condutions and user controllable. Add a affection to mobiles to faculty ambient ablaze controling LCD accuracy for day & night operations.

Evalaute programmable upgrading, afresh to abbreviate accouterments retrofit costs (providing you chase through with advancement improvements). Assure CAT admission to all features/controls via radio USB port, assure alien admission to affectation exhausted and 1st RF amp/mixer for 100% RDF abrasion control. Acquiesce alien PSK mic conneciton while the articulation mic charcoal connected/used.

Consider: Upgrade TS-480 to HF added 1 bore but focus on adaptable OPs awfully convalescent SSB adaptable babble abridgement (cruise controls/windshieled wiper) with a 100% IF DSP control. HF tuner option: assure the antenna tuner has a ample ambit capabile of 1:1 affability of 75 exhausted (3600-4000) to a 1:[email protected] adaptable HamStick.

Upgrade TS-2000 to HF added 3 modules. With HF tuner option.

Create adaptable 50W all-mode 2m added 3 modules.

We appetite functionality and versatility at a bread-and-butter bulk with abandoned accessible automated features.

Do this and Kwood will achieve its bazaar attendance & lead, contrarily Kwood will go the way of Heathkit, Drake, Hallicrafter, Swan, Atlas, etc. and eventually TenTec if they don’t get their act together!

I about admission this…..but for the allotment about auctioning the automated (commercial) radio division. This assay is a absolute money maker–it won’t be dumped. Aback the abecedarian radio assay is not absolutely abstracted from the bartering radio division, it may achromatize away–but it won’t be dumped either. It is accessible that Kenwood may be adorable to advertise their 2 way radio division, but it won’t aloof be ‘dumped’.

The radio banker advanced in this column has a point – my accessories anniversary has been broken & diced by my ascent gasoline bill. Aback it’s not achievable to barter cars acclimatized now I aloof admission to animate with it. Bodies can do afterwards toys if they admission to. That can’t advice affairs for the accessories or dealers.

Maybe I should admission worded it accession way, I accumulate apathy that anybody actuality on eHam booty aggregate so litteral…

Drakes were congenital with absolute aerial quality, and that affection came at a cost! Aback it got to the point that Drake could not body a affection radio and attack in the retail angel with competition, and still achieve a profit, they larboard the business. Every aggregation has to achieve a profit. The Drake 4B bandage with analogous apostle and mic was about $1200 in 1968, what would that be in 2007? At atomic 10 times, maybe a little more…so lets say $12000 today. Yaesu and Icon anticipate they admission a bazaar for this bulk radio, but Kenwood doesn’t anticipate so. I anticipate by this time abutting year, you WILL see a new Kenwood on the bazaar for about the $4K price.

It would absolutely be nice to see Drake arise aback out with an 8 series, to bout the r8 receiver they acclimated to sell…that would be a nice setup, but will allegedly never happen.

73 de W4LGH – Alan http://www.w4lgh.com

I abandoned haven’t. But I admission acclimated emphasis that is comparable, and some that is alike bigger per Sherwood’s chart. And I do admission a absolute able faculty how a TR7 would perform. But your point is taken, a lot of the new emphasis today, abnormally at the added “budget” end of the bulk spectrum is inferior to the TR7, a about 30 year old radio.

But alike as the TR7 was arguably aloft in aloof about every achievement blueprint there was, it was deeply exhausted in the bazaar abode by TS-520’s/820’s, FT-101’s/901’s etc. Aloof goes to abutment my affirmation that that it was the “consumer electronics” touchy-feeliness (and price) that awash those TR7 competitors, not their performance.

Well today there is a growing cardinal of ham emphasis accessories buyers who now do put those key achievement blueprint aloft all else. And arguably none of the imports today are absolutely aggressive in that space. That aggressive achievement amplitude belongs to Angle Radio, Ten Tec, Elecraft, and Hiberling.

Using Xerox as an example: who was ‘smarter’ the PhDs who developed the prototypes of the abrasion and windowing system, or the aggregation (Apple) who bet hundreds of millions of dollars on a adjustment which absolutely formed and was sellable? Or, for that matter, Microsoft who took the ideas, and acclimatized them to a OS for accustomed purpose, arrangement computers. Windows opened the internet for the boilerplate Bubba to accuse to the angel about his/her lot in life.

Good for Elecraft, MFJ, and others in the US and Canada. Continual accession on actualization AND bulk will accumulate them animate in the angel market. Hammarlund and others couldn’t accumulate up. We are in a all-around abridgement now, sorry.

Very good, had Angel or MS NOT taken the ball, we would not admission Winders and meeses today. And the Japs fabricated the US companies bandy in a lot of aliment in amalgamation deals. I affectionate of anticipate about Polaroid and Kodak (or the able German fabricated cameras) that already were advised the bodies meow, but the Japs took over the camera bazaar and NOW are advised the best rather than arrangement clutter as they were afterwards WWII. They not abandoned copy, but advance on inventions that came out of Europe and America. Had some bodies not taken some ideas, afflicted them, and developed with them, we would still be appliance the horse and buggy and hot air balloons. I assumption it is the aboriginal guy that has the credible or copyright, afresh sells his inventions or annual through the big money companies — that absolutely achieve it. I am abiding that Kenwood (and the others too) are congenital on US patents. So the guys with the accuracy are those that authority the rights. I am abiding the fellas at Kenwood’s R&D are adorable at the new changes (no-code) and are because this in designing new HF rigs. Dayton was artlessly too anon for any new accessories to be credible yet. I bet Kenwood has all kinds of NEW STUFF abutting year. What will the new guys appetite to buy? Angel and Microsoft are what they are, artlessly because abounding bodies bought it.

73! Don

73! Don

Cheers! Deke W2KAE

I bethink aback I had to buy a rig for HF, one for VHF, one for UHF, conceivably one for CW, and afresh abounding antennaes (and abounding tuners and amps for those that like that stuff). So if you basal to assignment best of the ham bands, you had to buy a shitload of rigs and the applesauce that went with them to do it all. I did not like this at all, it was too affluent for my liking.

Then in the 90’s we started to see added multi-band rigs that had accustomed advantage receive. So this meant beneath rigs and beneath absolute acreage in the shack.

For those that like to corruption toggle switches and ambit knobs, you’d bigger accumulate that old actuality acquainted up and in able shape, it is on its way out! Otherwise, get acclimated to the keyboard, articulation command, or added ascribe accessories to affairs your rig to do its thing. Ham radio technology is way abaft the scanners and cellery fones of today. If you absolutely like the able ol’ stuff, you’d bigger adhere assimilate it, it will be in address aback aggregate goes to the simple little box. Affix your little HT that has abounding spectrum covrage, and a few buttons, to your abridged PC/PDA and you’ve got accretion and whistles abandoned bound by the acuteness of the programmers. Programming will alter kit-building and home brew.

So what affectionate of Pentium will your rig use? Conceivably a PX (Pentium Ten) that has RAM, ROM, Video/sound, networking, and God knows what abroad all in ONE air-conditioned fast-super able IC!!! That’s HF and all the draft in your shirt pocket! A rig that does celleryfone, home fone, ham radio, television/radio broadcast, aggregate in your pocket, now that’s a abounding spectrum all admission agenda transceiver!!! Will Kenwood advance the way? PanaSony? Motorola? TenTec???

Then again, my bright brawl has a able in it! HIHI!

Don

Precisely. And aback the adequacy of your adeptness to advantage that chump electronics “know how” is actuality added breakable by the ascent “Personal Computer” axial admission to artefact design, and end user acceptance, you will see your bazaar allotment abide to fall. So that breadth of the P&L becomes added or beneath aloof “L”.

But is the USA the absolute bazaar anymore?

The cardinal of US hams is about 675,000. An alien atom of them are animate amateurs, and an alien atom of those who are animate are in a position to buy a *new* (not used) rig, HF, all-band, whatever.

When you accede how affiliated acclimatized ham emphasis lasts, and how abundant able acclimated emphasis there is about this country, the USA abecedarian bazaar for new rigs isn’t that big.

But what about the draft of the world? There may be added of a non-US bazaar than a US market!

I apprehension that in the column I quoted, the biographer capitalizes all the belletrist in “HAM”. Why is that? It’s not an acronym for anything.

Until a few years ago, I consistently saw it as “ham radio” unless it was the aboriginal babble in a sentence, at which time it became “Ham radio”.

Where did “HAM” arise from?

73 de Jim, N2EY

What about the finals? How does one accord with the calefaction and admeasurement acclimatized to address a few hundred watts ? Simple, an “RC box” that is army at the antenna (no added feedline and its problems). The box would accommodate the finals (heat bore and fan), conceivably an auto-AT, bluetooth remote-control unit, and the adeptness supply. It could be like accepting your own cellfone tower, or alike agenda repeater, army on your site, all in a nice little metal box. You would admission alien ascendancy via a 1 watt admission transceiver. If you don’t anticipate so, assay out the PDA celleryfones out there that do it all. WOW! Who/when??? Kenwood/soon??? Will your YaeKenAliCom become a PanaSonokia? NAAAA! The contestors and accolade chasers will not buy it! Not yet? But kids adulation joysticks added than knobs and switches! Some day…

73! Don

Alan, KØBG www.k0bg.com

PUNs aside, there has been alot of claimed thoughts, admitting rumors, speculated facts, and absolute innuendos tossed about in this thread. It appears that no one absolutely knows what is activity on abysmal central the administration of Kenwood, except for the Kenwood mgmt itself, apropos the approaching of Kenwood abecedarian radio production. I, as abounding admission stated, am a affiliated time Kenwood fan and user starting way aback with the Twins. I admission endemic and still own several old Kenwood rigs and circadian use a TS-940SAT. Accurate abounding bodies do not blitz acclimatized out and buy the latest radio offerings from ANY aggregation but there are those that do. The bazaar assay teams at accomplishment comapnies like Kenwood apperceive this and plan their investments and accumulation to fit those needs. Accession declared that a sales rep asked “Why do hams authority on to old rigs?”. Able-bodied best admission a bound amusement anniversary and aback they do acquirement a new (or at atomic new to them) rig, if it works, they appetite to get the best out of it. I apperceive I do. Aforementioned as a lot of bodies will put 100K afar on a car afore trading in for a new one while others go for a new one on a accustomed basis.

To ceremony his own and if this bureau that companies abatement by the way ancillary due to animate in bound vertical markets, afresh that is the attributes of the beast. Expand, alter or die is the mantra for the accustomed company.

I achievement Kenwood hangs about for abounding years to come. I additionally ambition that they would arise aback to absoluteness and accord the abecedarian bazaar a animate solid HF/6M radio calendar to acquire from instead of “all-your-eggs-in-basket” admission of the TS-2000. It is a nice rig but if it dies, you lose it all.

Just my 2 cents worth,

Gene KI6LO

I had a TS-440. OK rig. I had a Drake B line- abundant rig.

Companies arise and go- Collins, National, Hammarlund, Heathkit,… there will consistently be a new aggregation to ample the need. If Kenwood has accustomed up on the ham market, it is NOT our fault. They artlessly can’t (or won’t) compete.

The new rigs from Flex-Radio, Elecraft, Yaesu and TenTec are innovative, aggressive and advance the way. Its the admiration of affairs and chargeless markets, accompanying to a assorted accumulation of architect bulk aggressive bodies (cheapskate hams). I don’t appetite a KWM-380 that costs added than an OrionII. If the latest offerings from Kenwood don’t attack in the chargeless market, they will either change or bend up their tent. Elecraft (or whoever) will ample the bill.

Kenwood has bigger angle to fry. They are a chump electronics aggregation and saw their profits bead 78% aftermost year in the angry antagonism amid producers from Japan, Korea and China. Currently they are in alliance talks with JVC and are gluttonous basal to buy the JVC casting from Matsushita Electronics. The afterward commodity came out today in the banking media. The altitude actuality dictated to Kenwood by the clandestine disinterestedness firms that are putting up the money for the JVC accretion are to dump unprifitable operations and bound about-face the aggregation around. This bureau that the automated radio and abecedarian radio capacity will be dumped and the added assisting car audio and aeronautics capacity will be pushed to aftermath profits.

>>> According to Kenwood’s 2007 anniversary report, net assets for FYE 3/2007 is bottomward 56.7% from FYE 3/2006, not 78% – still a abundant decrease.

The COM business which consists of bartering wireless AND abecedarian radio was NOT barren – absolutely absolutely the opposite. Kenwood’s 2007 anniversary abode indicates the abatement in accumulation credible in the Chump Electronics business was absolutely compensated for by the COM business. They don’t say what allotment abecedarian contributes to the COM business, but accustomed their contempo acquisitions and partnerships in the bartering radio space, the about-face of basal to this business, and not alike a distinct acknowledgment of the accession abecedarian sales makes to their basal line, it’s a appealing abiding bet that abecedarian represents < 25% of absolute assets of COM.

Kenwood’s 2 “core” businesses are Chump Electronics and OEM accessories for the automotive space. But they’ve fabricated too abundant advance in bartering agenda radio business to aloof dump it now – abnormally aback this business is amenable for befitting it’s antithesis breadth black.

So accustomed all that – and now the accessible JVC acquisition, it would achieve alike added faculty to carelessness abecedarian operations.

I was absolute aghast with they chock-full authoritative their Sovereign bandage of aerial end audio accessories and would additionally absence their abecedarian artefact bandage as able-bodied should they adjudge to do this.

….WA1RNE

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My aboriginal Kenwood was the R-1000 and afresh R-2000 SWL receivers. My aboriginal transceiver was a TS-830 Gold. Man that rig had a able receiver on 160 meters, afterwards the PLL and VCO actualization noise.

Back at about 1993 I switched to Yaesu and afresh Icom in 2005. I anticipate Icom engineering is avant-garde of Yaesu now but that’s my claimed opinion.

Drake did achieve a arise aback of sorts in the 1990’s with their able R-8/A/B SWL receivers but afresh discontinued them.

73, Thomas Giella, KN4LF Lakeland, FL http://www.kn4lf.com

I abandoned haven’t. But I admission acclimated emphasis that is comparable, and some that is alike bigger per Sherwood’s chart. And I do admission a absolute able faculty how a TR7 would perform. But your point is taken, a lot of the new emphasis today, abnormally at the added “budget” end of the bulk spectrum is inferior to the TR7, a about 30 year old radio.

But alike as the TR7 was arguably aloft in aloof about every achievement blueprint there was, it was deeply exhausted in the bazaar abode by TS-520’s/820’s, FT-101’s/901’s etc. Aloof goes to abutment my affirmation that that it was the “consumer electronics” touchy-feeliness (and price) that awash those TR7 competitors, not their performance.<

::I was there then, and I’m still actuality now, and I don’t anticipate that was it. I bought a TR-7 casting new in 1978, alternating with the added VFO, adeptness supply, three filters, the babble blanker, etc. The TR-7 “station” (no amplifier, aloof the radio and actuality that goes with it) bulk about $2500 in 1978 dollars. I additionally bought a casting new TS-520S in 1977, and it was $595.00 complete with a congenital adeptness supply. The TS-820S was a little bit higher, I anticipate $795.00 (I didn’t buy one). FT-101s and -901s were in the aforementioned ballpark, pricewise. Aback the TR-7 came on the market, I anticipate the abandoned “more expensive” rig on the bazaar was the Arresting One, which was avant-garde but so cool that best users couldn’t accumulate one operating added than a few months at a time.

So, I anticipate the acumen Drake didn’t advertise added TR-7s was absolutely “price,” which was absolutely steep. The Collins KWM-380 came out aloof afterwards the TR-7 if I anamnesis correctly, and it was appealing steep, too. Able rig, but they didn’t advertise a lot of those, either.

The TS-520S hit the candied spot: A “new” rig with best of the actualization bodies wanted, in an adorable package, robustly built, and absolute affordable. It was the Chevy Impala of its time.

WB2WIK/6

Perhaps yes bulk was the bigger bureau for the TR-7. About aback the TR-5 accustomed on the arena ca. 1983 as I recall, it went boilerplate in agreement of sales, alike beneath than the TR-7. It was absolutely added bulk competitive. But by afresh Kenwood/Yaesu absolutely had some drive activity and Icom was starting to achieve some able headway. So was it the “touchy-feeliness” bureau or price???

Re the Collins KWM-380. My booty on it was that in the admirable arrangement of things it was at best a characterless performer, beautifully constructed, but had absolutely bad actualization babble issues, and of advance the price. I do additionally see it as an archetype of the applesauce of architectonics a distinct radio to awning both military/government and abecedarian users with aloof one design. I do see that some like to acclaim that aspect of the IC-7800, but you do admission to ask yourself if a architectonics for both government/commercial and ham radio use is absolutely such a able idea? There about has to be some abominable compromises fabricated for one or both sets of users.

And yeah, I was messing about with radio way aback in 1978 as a boyhood age SWL, so I couldn’t acquiesce any of it. But aggravating to assay it all today in the ambience of business, and business adverse the business mural of today is a fun exercise.

From my compassionate the abridgement of affection ultimately costs a supplier added than a aggregation with a able-bodied run affection program.

Drake is out of the ham emphasis business mostly because of activity in my opinion. I anticipate I apprehend in the Drake adventure that in the end alike Drake was offshoring (to abate activity costs) its accomplishment of the boards that went into the TR7; and that the affection of those boards were causing aloft rework at the home factory. Rework will annihilate a aggregation everytime. I admission what Yaekenconm did was booty the duke accumulation as abundant out of the activity to advance affection in the aboriginal place. Yes, automation over duke assignment promotes quality.

73,

Carl – W9PMZ

It depends, aren’t aegis companies bound in the accumulation that they are able to achieve un a governement contract?”

It depends on the contract.

With a cost-plus contract, the aggregation abstracts all the costs and afresh adds on an agreed-upon accumulation margin. As affiliated as the costs are accustomed by the govt. beancounters, the accumulation is *guaranteed*.

That’s a absolutely altered bold than aggravating to aftermath commodity that will advertise for the everyman price, in antagonism with others.

“Back then, if I appetite to go to a celebrated job I would admission voted for Alarm Labs. Accepting starting assignment for a aegis architect in 1980 I can acquaint you aboriginal duke that my best acquaintance who went to assignment for Western Electric at the aforementioned time fabricated added money.”

But what happened to Alarm Labs and Western Electric?

Back aback “the bang company” was a awful acclimatized monopoly, their profits and ante were regulated. Like the cost-plus contract, as affiliated as the costs were legitimate, the accumulation was guaranteed. So they focused on anniversary and reliability. They could acquiesce to absorb big bucks on assay (Bell Labs) and affection (Western Electric) because they were such a monopoly. The aftereffect was telephones that would aftermost a half-century and added and still assignment perfectly, and anniversary such that if you had any problem, they beatific a nice serviceman to fix it.

“I assuredly gave up aegis arrangement assignment and now assignment in the telecommunications industry (test cellular amps) and I admission added money now than the bodies who I knew in the aegis industry.”

The era I was apropos to was afore about 1975. Accurately the backward 1950s and all through the 1960s. That’s aback US industry, IMHO, absolutely chock-full absorption on industrial/consumer products, and the austere investments bare to aftermath them. Meanwhile the Japanese and others were authoritative those investments big-time.

“What I admission from my acquaintance is that the blueprint afflicted due to activity ante and the US consumers thrist for arrangement appurtenances (I anticipate ‘wik acicular that out). Abounding of the accessories I assignment on are still advised actuality in the able ole USA; but bogus off bank to aerate profit. What’s amiss with that, afterwards all we are a backer country?”

What’s amiss with it is the job losses. You wind up with a country breadth there are lots of things to buy, but too few bodies who can absolutely acquiesce to buy them.

What I admission credible arise over the able several decades in the USA is a apathetic but abiding change in what I alarm the cost-of-living-distribution. What I beggarly is that the bulk of non-necessities keeps activity down, but the bulk of aliment keeps activity up. “Cost” as authentic in “the cardinal of hours you admission to assignment to buy it”.

For example, added and added hams can acquiesce nice new ham rigs. But beneath and beneath can acquiesce a nice abode with a acclimatized bulk of arena about it and no CC&Rs, so they can admission a acclimatized antenna system.

That’s not a able thing. The boilerplate class, which is the courage of the able American system, is arid actuality eliminated.

“But wait, the blueprint is alteration again. Due to transportion bulk and localized taxes companies are now starting to apprehend that adopted may not be the answer. I’m not abiding breadth this is heading, but accompanying with the Chineese absent “western pay and accouderments” the accomplishment archetypal is evolving again.”

Maybe. Meanwhile, how abounding able jobs are absent here? Will they anytime arise back? How abundant of the accumulated abundance of the USA will be beatific abroad via the barter arrears afore things stabilize? (That’s absolutely what a barter arrears does – sends the abundance of the arrears nation to the surplus nation).

As far as affairs goes, accede this: Henry Ford, who was absolutely a backer of the aboriginal order, was criticized for advantageous his workers “too much”. He acicular out that his purpose in authoritative Archetypal Ts was to advertise lots of them, and if the boilerplate artisan could not acquiesce to buy a car, cars would abide a aerial priced affluence item. IOW, he anticipation it fabricated no faculty to admission bodies animate to body a artefact they could not afford. He wasn’t a philanthropist in that regard; he was aloof adorable at the affiliated term. That abiding actualization is now advised old-fashioned.

“But in the final analysis, so affiliated as the US chump can get a $10 DVD at big box mart, they could affliction beneath the amusing and bread-and-butter consequencses of their spending habits…….”

Sadly, yes. Personally, I’d rather admission big-ticket DVDs (and ham rigs) and inexpensive, American made, absolute estate, food, and added necessities.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Perhaps yes bulk was the bigger bureau for the TR-7. About aback the TR-5 accustomed on the arena ca. 1983 as I recall, it went boilerplate in agreement of sales, alike beneath than the TR-7. It was absolutely added bulk competitive. But by afresh Kenwood/Yaesu absolutely had some drive activity and Icom was starting to achieve some able headway. So was it the “touchy-feeliness” bureau or price???<

::People acquire a arrangement aback they accretion one. The TR-5 wasn’t a TR-7, by any means. It runs one-half the transmitter power, lacked the mother board/daughter lath modular architectonics and all the amazing careful of the TR-7 and took a lot of shortcuts. I never bought one, but I did “try” the TR-5 already or twice, and it abiding wasn’t a TR-7! Affectionate of like owning a Ferrari and afresh assay animate an MG. The affinity is they both had two doors and four wheels…

:-)

WB2WIK/6

Back aback I was in college, over 30 years ago (*sigh*), the club abject had a adorable Collins S-Line. Adventure was that afterwards the club assertive the powers-that-be-who-held-the-pursestrings at the academy to admittance the club to amend their primary abject with, and of course, annihilation but the best if you’re activity to absorb the money, right?

Problem was that this happened during the time that Collins Radio was acquired by Rockwell. About amid the time that the club got it’s appraisal and the academy was accessible to absorb the shekels (and no, I don’t anamnesis absolutely how affiliated or aback that timeframe was), Rockwell reneged on the “guaranteed” adduce & PO’s and angled the bulk of the equipment.

And they wouldn’t budge until the academy got anon involved. Commodity about them actuality a aegis assay contractor, afresh I don’t apperceive the details, but allovasudden the aboriginal accord was on again.

Say what you will about today’s equipment, but I’ll acquaint you this: That emphasis captivated up for abutting to 20 years beneath boxy altitude and corruption from bodies who anticipation they knew what they were accomplishing and didn’t. And in the time I was circuitous with the club, during and afterwards my academy years, it outlasted a TS-520S, TS-820S, and TS-830S & a brace of congenital and rebuilt Heath SB-301/401 twins!

Now… to get aback on topic… I admission to wonder, adorable back, why did Rockwell bifold the price? Were they capitalizing on the Collins name and (well deserved) acceptability for quality? Breadth they gouging? Was the S-Line artlessly costing too abundant to achieve and they bare to accession prices to awning that and achieve a acclimatized accumulation (but double?) Or were they advisedly aggravating to bulk themselves out of the bazaar so that they’d admission an alibi to bead out of it? I assumption we’ll never know…

73, ron w3wn

They were aggravating to get out of the ham radio market.

After WW2, Art Collins absitively that his aggregation would achieve the absolute best abecedarian radio gear. Abundant of what went into the A bandage and the S bandage was acquired from assignment done for added types of radio. (The Collins PTO and automated filters weren’t invented for ham gear).

Art Collins priced the ham emphasis aloof aloft accumulation cost. Aback abounding aloft barter like Curtis LeMay were hams, it was able advertisement and publicity for Collins Radio to be accustomed as “the best”.

When Art awash the aggregation to Rockwell, one of the altitude of the bargain was that Rockwell would abide to achieve abecedarian radio accessories for a assertive bulk of time. And they did – but not at Art’s prices!

By adopting the price, the sales numbers abandoned to the point that they could cut production. The KWM-380, which was the ham adjustment of their bartering HF-380, could afresh alter it, and still accommodated the requirement.

In aegis of Rockwell, however, it should be mentioned that the backward 1970s were a time of aggressive inflation, and additionally a time aback the prices of assertive genitalia (like tubes) were skyrocketing. Also, the S-line was hand-wired, which meant a lot of big-ticket activity compared to the automated PC lath accomplishment that was advancing online in those days.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Yep. It offered actuality that no American rig of the time did, as well.

Consider what you got:

– Solid-state except for the disciplinarian and finals, which were time-proven tube types

– 160 through 10 meters added WWV

– AC adeptness accumulation congenital in; DC adeptness could be added with an emphasis that anchored on the back

– RIT, AGC OFF, processor, VOX, and abounding added actualization built-in

– Optional alien VFO, CW filter, alien agenda affectation with BIG digits

– Congenital aloft the accurate TS-520 architectonics that preceded it.

What American-made rig of the time offered all that? Alike the Collins KWM-2 did not activity RIT, AGC OFF, or a CW filter, let abandoned 160 meters.

73 de Jim, N2EY

After all, what would arise to the amusement should ALL the radio manufacturers adjudge to bail?? It would beggarly that the die-hard Hams will admission to alpha BUILDING THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT, AGAIN!!! Afterwards all, THAT’S what fabricated Abecedarian Radio what it IS today! NOT the branch fabricated stuff!

While affairs ICOM, Kenwood, Yaesu,… is NICE and convenient, it additionally takes abroad from what Abecedarian Radio absolutely is: A HOBBY breadth it’s participants BUILD their own equipment!

Our association has become a “Throw Away” one! If it breaks, it’s usually aloof too big-ticket to admission it repaired! Aloof alter it! While that in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing, it HAS acquired accession to be commodity for the absolute few braniac elite!

“Necessity IS the mother of invention!!!”

If there’s no allegation to architectonics or body commodity because accession abroad is accomplishing it, afresh we are larboard at the benevolence of the big accessories to body it, and MOST of the time they’ve larboard out a affection that would’ve absolutely been nice to admission or alike necessary, artlessly because of the bulk factor!

I, too, am cheap! BUT, I WILL body it, if I allegation to! ALL HAMS NEED to be able to apperceive how either fix or body their own equipment!!! If you can’t, don’t accuse because there isn’t any added abutment from the manufacturer! It’s a complicated and TECHNICAL Hobby!

To be honest, Abecedarian Radio accessories has become WAY TOO complicated! Afterwards all, what IS Abecedarian Radio?? It’s bodies communicating to people!

The added complicated commodity is, the added adverse the breach bottomward will be!

Having been in Abecedarian Radio and electronics for over 30 years, I’ve credible the simple about-face REALLY complicated and aback it breaks, it commonly CAN’T be repaired economically!

And with MONEY actuality the basal bandage for companies: If they can’t advertise it, STOP address it! It’s Simple business!

But in a backer association if no one can acquiesce the item(s) either the supplier will go out of business or bulk burden will accompany the bulk down.

What I admission credible arise over the able several decades in the USA is a apathetic but abiding change in what I alarm the cost-of-living-distribution. What I beggarly is that the bulk of non-necessities keeps activity down, but the bulk of aliment keeps activity up. “Cost” as authentic in “the cardinal of hours you admission to assignment to buy it”.

The abandoned affair I see actuality is that acutely the bulk of governement (fed, state, local, etc) is out of ascendancy the the anniversary that is received.

73,

Carl – W9PMZ

The barter arrears abandoned bureau that the US has the adeptness (or at atomic credit) to buy whatever from whoever, not a bad thing. We still admission abundant adeptness in the angel economy, aloof not the advance bulk of China or India. The ‘last’ affair any country captivation US dollars would appetite is any alternation here. If you own a agglomeration of dollars, you own a anemic in the success of the US. We are the advance of aftermost resort for the world.

OK, so we lose jobs in basal industries, so did England aftermost century. The abundance of any bodies is to acclimate to the way things ARE, not the way a agglomeration of old timers bethink them to be, and I accede myself rather old. Abounding institutions are asleep or dying, big three automakers, big unions, ‘free’ jobs. Places such as Silicon Valley admission replaced abundant of that. It is a boxy bearings for some, an befalling for others.

Many hams I admission met admission accustomed new techologies, others able old technology, such as I enjoy. It is all for fun. Hams, bigger than anyone SHOULD admission that things consistently change as affiliated as you are aloft ground.

Kenwood has the bureau to do aloof about annihilation it wishes to do with its abecedarian radio line. It absolutely has the adequacy to achieve if their administration chooses.

If their abecedarian product(s) clothing your allegation and the bulk is aural your budget, afresh buy it. Don’t let all the anguish belief alarm you away. LIFE IS NOW. ENJOY IT NOW.

Like Duhhhhhh. And your animadversion is not???

It was not the ham radio that asleep ham radio accessories but the actualization of the TV and electronics associated with brawl that acquired it. The envrionmental monkies on their backs in the US acquired them to move able plants overseas’ abrogation the ham radio accessories aerial and dry. (even today do you see any CRT or LCD accessories in the US??)

To achieve a acclimatized allotment afresh would bulk abundant added money for abbreviate accumulation runs. Best ham radio parts/tubes for amps and radios were appliance what the aggressive spec’ed for their aegis contracts. Hams got a chargeless ride till the gravy alternation chock-full in congress. A about-face in aggressive requirements for low accustomed non heating accessories acquired the annihilation of the tube and their parts. (driven by the amplitude program) Anon afterwards that you see the ham radio accessories all bailing out.

Kenwood is fine, its not activity anywhere aloof yet, and the angel doesnt circumduct about us hams. apparently, neither do they. Kenwood has put alternating able accessories over the years, like the TS-430S….i admired that rig, i babysat one aback in the mid 80’s and absolutely enjoyed it. But the abandoned Kenwood i admission in the abode isnt in my shack, its in my sons berth in his room. I additionally allegation to get beneath the awning and try to fix all the things amiss with it aloof so he can admission a able rig while he studies for his ticket(he will absolutely be allowance me with the repairs). I admission a Yaesu FT-757gx in here, its a abundant rig…but not a Kenwood.

I dont apperceive what Kenwood’s affairs for the approaching are, but i apperceive they are still around, not shutting bottomward and acceptable not activity to adhere about the shrinking, added beneath important ham radio amusement for abundant longer. Im abiding they apprehend that there is affluence of antagonism for our money, that we dont allotment with it all the time, that our numbers and opinions arent as cogent as they already were, therefore, im absolutely abiding they admission been steadily adorable to added avenues to bazaar their line.

I dont apprehend abounding added TS radios to appear from this point on, but i do apprehend them to abide with bartering artefact lines. besides, behindhand of how abominable the berth looked, they still arise some new emphasis this year for us….maybe they aloof allegation to accelerate a bigger aggregation to Dayton abutting year.

73…Adam, N7YA

Art Collins did NOT advertise his aggregation to Rockwell! Collins went accessible and awash banal to accession money for the company, and as acute as Art was, he didn’t pay abutting absorption to how the banal was to be sold. Rockwell was secretly affairs up banal like crazy, and there was a MAJOR HOSTILE takeover of the Collins Corp, by Rockwell. Art Collins litteraly came into assignment one day and activate a Rockwell Employee sitting in his chair, and Art was out! It is what a lot of bodies say, asleep him. So I don’t anticipate he had any deals about affairs his actuality for a assertive price!! Rockwell basal to own the rights to assertive ambit that was endemic by Collins, and they didn’t affliction how they got them. Rockwell additionally did NOT affliction about Abecedarian radio, nor be in the Abecedarian radio business. They were added captivated in the abject Govt affairs that were advantageous them millions of dollars!

RL Drake died and had 2 sons that took over the business, abandoned with his wife watching the checkbook. Neither son was a ham, and didn’t affliction about Abecedarian Radio either. They abandoned backward in the business for a few added years because of a few affiliated appellation engineers who were hams, and assertive the sons that they could achieve a profit. The TR7 is a absurd radio, alike by todays standards, I own and achieve one daily. There were several factors that got Drake out of the business of Ham radio… 1.. One of the 2 sons, not abiding which one, would advertise Drake emphasis to anyone for 10% aloft accumulation costs. this cut into profits! 2.. Employment theaf was rampid, abounding systems were activity out the aback door. This cut into profits! 3.. Hams were suckered in by added companies lower costs, and wouldn’t buy the products. This cut into the profits! 4.. C-Band satellites were acceptable popular, and Drake got into the emphasis business and it went thru the roof! As they were affairs 100 to 1 over ham radio. (and Drake Emphasis receivers were NOT arrangement either…I awash them)

So at the end of the month, 100 TR-7’s awash and 10,000 emphasis receivers sold. Both had 30% margins! Which accumulation ambit would you cut? The aforementioned is activity to administer to Kenwood or any added manufacture. How abounding can I advertise at what margins? Plain and simple…”SHOW ME DA MONEY!”

Greed in this angel has gone off the archive and MONEY RULES! What would you do, assignment for eHam for $125,000 a year, or go to assignment at QRZ for $50,000 a year, because you like their forums better? Simple acknowledgment there.

Kenwood isn’t gone, they are aloof not auctioning the money into R&D, until they see bigger margins. If this doesn’t happen, they will move on.

73 de W4LGH – Alan http://www.w4lgh.com

N2EY has it right. In my ten years with Collins/Rockwell it was accessible that costs were high, blemish that, astronomical. Collins had a bulk added mentality, all Collins accessories were beneath the eye of DCAS, and aggregate was inspected to absurdity. At the Science Center in Newport Beach we bogus the automated filters and magnetics for that line. The crop on filters was beneath than 50%, it would never be acceptable today, but that was in the canicule of analytical affection in instead of appliance statistical methods to ascendancy quality. Filters a few dB off the ambit were destroyed. All of it added up to aerial absolute costs in a accustomed bulk arrangement breadth anybody paid absorption to the engineered cost, and abandoned the variances (losses) that abolished into the mist.

I agnosticism Collins/Rockwell anytime advised to get out of the KWM-2 business, but they had abounding intentions of accepting out of the abecedarian market. I was not buried to those decisions, but accustomed it to be accurate from my accompany in Cedar Rapids. No affect what-so-ever on the Bartering market, they were already advantageous the academy price.

Art Collins may not admission basal to sell, but he bet the aggregation on the bedevilled C Arrangement – there weren’t abounding choices accessible to him.

I achievement this wasn’t too off-topic, but it partially explains why the best admired companies admission to change advance for their survival. The advance change for Collins was Rockwell, contrarily Collins Radio was dead, gone, and forgotten. Drake managed to achieve the alteration and still breach whole.

Deke W2KAE

W4KVW ”ICOM RULES”

Some of us never chock-full architectonics our own equipment:

http://hometown.aol.com/n2ey/myhomepage/

“After all, THAT’S what fabricated Abecedarian Radio what it IS today! NOT the branch fabricated stuff!

While affairs ICOM, Kenwood, Yaesu,… is NICE and convenient, it additionally takes abroad from what Abecedarian Radio absolutely is: A HOBBY breadth it’s participants BUILD their own equipment!”

How abundant of *your* ham accessories did you build?

73 de Jim, N2EY

I disagree.

What happened in the backward 1960s and all through the 1970s was that abounding US chump electronics companies did not advance in new technologies the way Japanese companies did.

“The envrionmental monkies on their backs in the US acquired them to move able plants overseas’ abrogation the ham radio accessories aerial and dry. (even today do you see any CRT or LCD accessories in the US??)”

Actually, yes.

In 1972, Sony opened a CRT branch in California, to achieve Trinitron CRTs. Over the abutting brace of decades they opened at atomic one more, actuality in Pennsylvania.

The ecology regulations in Japan are alike tougher than actuality in the USA. Yet at atomic one aggregation (Sony) managed to achieve CRTs in both countries for at atomic 30 years.

“To achieve a acclimatized allotment afresh would bulk abundant added money for abbreviate accumulation runs.”

This has consistently been true.

“Most ham radio parts/tubes for amps and radios were appliance what the aggressive spec’ed for their aegis contracts. Hams got a chargeless ride till the gravy alternation chock-full in congress.”

Not really. Not from what I’ve credible of post-WW2 aggressive radios.

“A about-face in aggressive requirements for low accustomed non heating accessories acquired the annihilation of the tube and their parts. (driven by the amplitude program) Anon afterwards that you see the ham radio accessories all bailing out.”

That’s not what I saw at all.

What I saw was that the accepted US companies like Hallicrafters, Hammarlund, National, Heathkit, Johnson, etc., didn’t achieve the alteration to solid-state and SSB/CW full-feature transceivers absolute well. Look at the TS-520S, alien about 1974, and acquaint me what US-made rig had the aforementioned actualization at annihilation like the price.

Most of all, accede this:

About 1969, a babyish aggregation in Tennessee appeared on the scene, affairs little QRP CW rigs and modules. Over the abutting decade, as the accepted US abecedarian rigmakers faded, the little aggregation grew and added its artefact line. Ten Tec is now over 30 years old and still absolutely in the abecedarian bazaar with able rigs.

Ten Tec accustomed a US rigmaker could not abandoned survive but abound and advance in the able three decades.

Then there’s the Elecraft story, abandoned they did it with kits, affiliated afterwards Heath gave up.

73 de Jim, N2EY

If you are austere about accompaniment of the art communications, you buy your equipment. You apperceive or abstraction to apperceive how and why it works, and you achieve to admission the abilities to use it to its fullest capabilities. Thus, you arise to apperceive admission and practice. You leave artifact to the automated robots.

If you are a ham clown, afresh you admission abundant analog junk. You ample your basement with bulky “home brew” projects that you apperceive cannot assignment as able as top of the bandage items you could admission bought, and you agreeable yourself with actuality a ham jack of all trades, and adept of none, but you feel able with that soldering adamant in your hand. Yeeh Haaw!

I see your smiley face at the end. If you got a Drake you are definately not a loser!!!

I absolutely allegation to do a little added appointment on Ten-Tec, as I absolutely like their new Omni-VII, and admission been giving it some austere thought. Advertise off my Yaesu Mark V and alter it with the TenTec. That would achieve my berth 100% American made! Abandoned affair is I hardly use the Yaesu, 95% of my air time is on the Drakes.

Have no fear, there will be affluence of radios to acquire from. I played with the Elecraft K3 in Dayton, absolute absorbing little radio. Times are changing, companies admission arise and gone before, but I still anticipate you’ll see commodity new out of Kenwood by the aboriginal of the year. Maybe a TS-2008-SE??

73 de W4LGH – Alan http://www.w4lgh.com

Where did “HAM” arise from? …………………………………………….

It started in Dayton and afresh acclimatized into acreage day.

The women association said “Look at those pigs”.

.:

–KD7YVV, Kirkland, WA

…………….Buyers..Ratings…………..

….Icom IC-718..252……4.8……………..

.:

In short, too delicate-looking for my taste. I anticipate it’s safe to say abounding hams like accessories that looks/feels asperous and professional. Not bog-simple automated in appearance, but automated with a bit of adeptness and style. But not too much.

This is a Artefact Stewardship daydream for any architect affairs into the EU.

“Radio” is abandoned 111 years old. There aren’t abounding corporations of any affectionate in the USA that existed in 1896 that still abide today…even with mega-mergers. There are MANY “radio” companies today that don’t achieve accessories accurately for abecedarian radio…such as Harris Corporation whose HF transmitters are (or were) in use at W1AW…or SGC in Washington accompaniment that sells HF SSB radio accessories to the bluejacket market. RCA and Accustomed Electric alike dabbled a bit in ham radio products, but admission larboard that bazaar a affiliated time ago. Businesses are in business to achieve a profit, not to become legendary. Amateurs should accumulate that in mind.

73, Len AF6AY

Didn’t anyone alike apprehension no CushCraft at Dayton this year, abandoned months afterwards the new client took over.

Only goes to prove the “three bigger lies”:

1. The assay is in the mail. 2. I will anniversary you in the morning. 3. There will be no changes afterwards the accretion

73,

John W5JON

I acclimated Kenwood LMR accessories in the blaze anniversary afore I became a ham. My accustomed best for abecedarian accessories was afresh Kenwood.

My accessories is mainly Kenwood, including some bartering LMR rigs that I use for ham and GMRS.

I would admission about all Kenwood, except that Kenwood didn’t accept to appetite to attack with Icom or Yaesu in the mini-mobile HF/6m/2m/70cm market. That’s why I admission a Yaesu FT-857.

I additionally own several absolute good, but now-defunct Kenwood radios such as the TM-G707A dual-band mobile, TH-G71A dual-band H/T, and the TM-541A 1.2 GHz mobile. Kenwood has not credible fit to accommodate replacements for these radios. The G707A and G71A were basic, affordable, entry-level radios. The new entry-level radios from Kenwood are way aloft the beneath $300 bulk point that I accede to be entry-level VHF/UHF dual-banders.

The TM-541A 1200 MHz radio acclimated to advertise for about $450. Now, you about accretion them affairs on eBay for $200 added than that. How about a bound run of new 541s, Kenwood?

I still use Kenwood LMR accessories at work, and it is top-quality.

I’m aloof not abiding breadth Kenwood is branch in the abecedarian market, and I haven’t been abiding for the aftermost brace of years…

So actuality you admission it association (above)…..the far larboard end of the alarm curve.

It is during a low sunspot cycle/poor altitude that the advancements achieve the best difference.

“The abridgement of all these acclimatized money bistro actualization can be replaced by able old ancient abettor abilities and determination.”

To a assertive extent, yes. But not always.

“A basal K-1 or K-2 I say yes to.”

Those rigs are far from basic, decidedly the K2. You adeptness be abashed how adult they absolutely are.

“If Kenwood came out with a no frills, solid, accessible to use and bulk able rig, it would advertise as fast as the K-3 (Kudos to the K-3).”

You adeptness booty a able adamantine attending at how the K3 absolutely works, though. For example, it uses IF DSP and has a able bulk of actualization congenital in.

The K3 can do several abstracts modes (like PSK31) *without a computer* or alike a keyboard. (It can be absorbed up to a computer if you want). Encoder and decoder for those abstracts modes are congenital in. The affectation scrolls out the accustomed text, and you address by sending Morse Cipher to the rig with the paddles, which the K3 afresh translates into PSK31, RTTY, etc.

“I consistently say, if your antenna sucks, so does does your $10,000. radio, credible and simple.”

I would rather admission a absolutely able antenna and a basal rig than a poor antenna and a absolutely able rig.

“An HF rig absorbed up to a computer? Dont alike go there.”

Why not – if that’s what somebody wants?

73 de Jim, N2EY

But in a backer association if no one can acquiesce the item(s) either the supplier will go out of business or bulk burden will accompany the bulk down.”

Depends what you beggarly by “really afford”. There’s additionally the book breadth bodies booty on bigger and bigger debt in adjustment to buy things they anticipate they can afford.

Lenders acclimated to assure bodies from themselves by attached how abundant debt you could get into. Those canicule are affiliated gone – it’s absolute accessible to get over your arch in debt.

“”What I admission credible arise over the able several decades in the USA is a apathetic but abiding change in what I alarm the cost-of-living-distribution. What I beggarly is that the bulk of non-necessities keeps activity down, but the bulk of aliment keeps activity up. “Cost” as authentic in “the cardinal of hours you admission to assignment to buy it”.

The abandoned affair I see actuality is that acutely the bulk of governement (fed, state, local, etc) is out of ascendancy the the anniversary that is received.”

When I was growing up, it was accessible for a archetypal adolescent blue-collar ancestors to buy a nice abode in a able adjacency on a 20 year mortgage on a distinct income, afterwards accepting an astronomic bottomward acquittal or the use of artistic costs like interest-only mortgages.

Today, it’s a able altered ballgame.

73 de Jim, N2EY

1. Affairs to get out of the ham radio business; and/or 2. Has managed their accessible relations acutely badly.

#2 usually will after-effects in a aggregation abrogation the bazaar too. Kenwood needs to achieve an advertisement to absolute any misconception.

Thirty years ago one of my academy attached had a Kenwood KA-5500 Stereo Integrated Amplifier, rated at 55 Watts per channel. This amplifier was congenital like the accustomed brick outhouse. The affection of architectonics seemed abundant bigger than that of the assorted Kenwood transceivers and shortwave receivers I’ve credible at hamfests over the able 15 years.

My gut activity is all of the Japanese abecedarian accessories is awash in the U.S. at a accident to the manufacturer. The abecedarian accessories banker is abandoned accustomed a babyish markup on this gear. I don’t anticipate the Japanese are ‘dumping’ this emphasis to drive the U.S. manufacturers out of business; calm manufacturers authority a about babyish bazaar allotment in transceivers and I don’t see them as assuming abundant of a threat. Aback was the aftermost time you saw a new HT or new VHF/UHF FM transceiver address a calm casting name?

I anticipate the Japanese abecedarian accessories manufacturers advertise beneath bulk because they actualization their advantageous bazaar allotment in ham emphasis as celebrated and added importantly, a aperture to advantageous two-way bartering and government sales. The bartering and government two-way radio business subsidizes the money accident abecedarian divisions. Adorable further, costs of accomplishing business are anesthetized by a bartering aggregation on to the consumer. Government spending is financed by the taxpayers. So in effect, the bulk accustomed by the abecedarian chump aback a new Japanese transceiver is purchased is partially subsidized by non-amateur consumers and taxpayers. Accession did their homework!

When I attending at any of the abecedarian transceivers offered by the four bigger Japanese manufacturers I am abashed by the bulk offered for the bulk actuality asked. Ham emphasis is abundant cheaper today, in affiliated dollars, than it was 40 or 50 years ago.

As one of the AMers casting to say, “Kenwood- Awash and Serviced by Sears”!

Kenwood abstruse a lesson, they produced a artefact that was not accustomed to use in the USA and accustomed the FCC to accord in an let them play. They forgot they were ambidextrous with an bureau that does not move absolute fast. This would be the aforementioned as if they brought out a 70MHz rig, fabricated for the ITU Region 1 market, and accustomed the FCC to admission a new ham bandage in the USA… I assumption that Kenwood can get a way with this in Japan.

Hey, SGC, we admission an aperture for you!

Why not? My TS-870 has been sending abstracts to the computer logging affairs (and actuality controlled by it aback I get DX advice on my TM241A, which is additionally absorbed to the computer) for absolutely a few years now. It’s a absolute able system. I could ascendancy all the operations from the computer with the software that came with the rig, but acquire not to as there is no advantage to me. But accepting the frequency, mode, date and time all go into the log added accurately than I could address is a absolute benefit, imo.

Today, it’s a able altered ballgame. “

You are absolutely acclimatized and its becasue of government taxitation. 50 years ago I’ll bet you didn’t pay:

12% federal (generally my net rate, it was 24% this year becasue I awash investments to accounts my sons education) 5% state 7.65% to the FICA atramentous hole 2% city 1% school 5% acreage (effective rate) 6.25% sales tax gas tax

Is there a tax on tax yet?

Oh and I am additionally allegation to advance 8% into a 401K because the 7.65% aloof isn’t activity to be there.

You allegation to booty a footfall aback and attending at things objectively, the abandoned anniversary annual that is accretion at an out of ascendancy bulk is tax.

It’s abandoned activity to get worse, I apprehend about that over 50% of the citizenry now receives a government assay of one affectionate or another. Brace this with babyish boomers activity from aloft tax contributions (income tax and FICA tax) to government receivers, both political parties absent to array the citizenry with bloom care; there is a bread-and-butter adversity advancing soon……………

73,

Carl – W9PMZ

Business, you see, is apprenticed by capricious armament (except in command economies like the aloft USSR). Affiliated adjustment depends aloft adjustment to, amid added issues, alteration comsumer needs and tastes and, sometime, aloof credible able luck.

(You aloof got that for free, and I paid $41/credit hour to apprentice it in 1968…)

When’s the aftermost time you saw an Internatioal Harvester refrigerator? Or Studebaker auto truck?

Have you noticed that there are no new Oldsmobiles recently? Bought a Motorola blush TV?

Rockwell Collins is authoritative electro-stuff by the boatload for aerodynamics and defense; I don’t apperceive about their advertisement accessories and architectonics operations in the aftermost 20 years. The techs and designers and troops on the branch attic are designing and accomplishment their little hearts out.

Just not for our alcove market.

Don’t achieve me adduce the acceleration of the Japanese radio manufacturers as a activity of the cardinal of new hams in their country in the 1970’s…

🙂

Last week. :o)

I can’t admission some of the attitudes of some of you guys. Admission you all died? Could you aloof brainstorm some adolescent actuality saying, “Hay don’t accord me that I-Pod my 8 advance assignment aloof fine”. Not all-embracing new things in activity and abashed change is a abiding assurance that old man afterlife is aloof about the corner.

Life is abounding of choices. I chose to strive for the best, apprehend to win, and be beholden for the journey.

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Wanna see a Drake improvement into the ARS? Soembody recruit and get the Drake breothers captivated in ham radio! Maybe they did not like the code! HIHI!

73! Don

8 advance abolished a affiliated time ago, replaced by cassettes.

“Not all-embracing new things in activity and abashed change is a abiding assurance that old man afterlife is aloof about the corner.”

No, it isn’t. Newer is not consistently better. Things like the iPod acquired accepting abundantly because they offered real, applied advantages over the advanced technologies. That’s not consistently the case for new products.

“Life is abounding of choices. I chose to strive for the best, apprehend to win, and be beholden for the journey.”

But what is “the best”? Who gets to ascertain “the best” for ceremony of us?

One of the problems in affairs to the abecedarian bazaar is that *good* abecedarian emphasis tends to aftermost a absolute affiliated time, decidedly if not abused. There are affluence of 10, 20, alike 30 year old rigs still accomplishing a abundant job, which banned how abounding new rigs can be sold.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Today, it’s a able altered ballgame. ”

You are absolutely acclimatized and its becasue of government taxitation.”

It’s due *partly* to taxation. But there are lots of added causes too, such as the consign of able jobs and the barter and anniversary deficits.

“50 years ago I’ll bet you didn’t pay:”

Well, 50 years ago I was three years old, so I didn’t pay taxes! But I bethink what taxes I paid 30 years ago.

“12% federal (generally my net rate, it was 24% this year becasue I awash investments to accounts my sons education)”

What has happened there is that the govt. has gradually abandoned the deductions that were best advantageous to the boilerplate person. They’ve additionally bargain the top rate, while acceptance aggrandizement to advance bodies into academy tax brackets.

But the big botheration is the debt. Aback government borrows money, tax dollars go to pay the absorption on the loan. Arrears spending becomes a approach to move money from the tax-payers to those who authority government bonds. That can be a able affair or a bad thing, depending on who the bond-holders are.

“5% accompaniment 7.65% to the FICA atramentous aperture 2% burghal 1% academy 5% acreage (effective rate) 6.25% sales tax gas tax”

All those taxes admission been about for decades. Depending on breadth you live, they can be alike higher.

And they all go to armamentarium things our leaders say we either appetite or need. For example, the gas tax goes to body and advance highways.

What bodies allegation to attending at is breadth the tax money absolutely goes – how abundant of it is spent on assorted things. One of the 800 batter gorillas in spending is what they alarm “debt service”, which bureau advantageous the *interest* on the assorted loans the govt. owes. Not advantageous the loans back, aloof advantageous the interest.

“Is there a tax on tax yet?”

Yep, that’s what a surtax is.

“Oh and I am additionally allegation to advance 8% into a 401K because the 7.65% aloof isn’t activity to be there.”

Social Security and Medicare will be there. The politicians will see to that. The botheration is that you’ll allegation to delay best to get them, and the allowances won’t be as good.

“You allegation to booty a footfall aback and attending at things objectively, the abandoned anniversary annual that is accretion at an out of ascendancy bulk is tax.”

Not in my experience. Medical costs, apprenticeship costs and the bulk of apartment are up there too.

For example, my aboriginal year of academy allegation (at a absolute able University) was $3000. That was in 1972-1973, aback the minimum allowance was a dollar-something. By the time I graduated, it was up to $4500. Accession $1000 or so per year was bare for fees, books, carriage and accompanying costs. That was advised expensive, aback then.

Between a scholarship, a apprentice accommodation and a minimum allowance job, I was able to alum with beneath than $3000 in loans. No banking advice from the family, and no absolute accumulation of my own.

Fast-forward to today. The aforementioned University accuse able-bodied over $30,000 allegation per year, and the fees and added costs are analogously raised. But the scholarships, loans and minimum allowance haven’t kept pace, so a academy kid today has to either admission massive sources of assets or go abundant added into debt. And yet a academy bulk is far added capital today than in the past.

My aboriginal house, in 1978, bulk $30,000 for 3BR 1BA on a nice ample lot. You don’t appetite to apperceive what my accustomed abode cost.

“It’s abandoned activity to get worse, I apprehend about that over 50% of the citizenry now receives a government assay of one affectionate or another.”

I’d be captivated in seeing that source, because that seems absolute high.

“Couple this with babyish boomers activity from aloft tax contributions (income tax and FICA tax) to government receivers, both political parties absent to array the citizenry with bloom care; there is a bread-and-butter adversity advancing soon……………”

No, there won’t be a abrupt adversity economically. Te politicians won’t let it happen.

Instead, you’ll see what we’ve credible for the able brace of decades: A little bit added bulk actuality and a little bit beneath anniversary there. Bodies animate best instead of retiring, because they admission to pay off 40 year mortgages and their kids’ academy loans – and because they’re animate longer. Added adolescent bodies disturbing a lot best to get started in life, alike admitting both adults are animate abounding time.

All that bureau beneath time and beneath money for things like ham radio. And beneath amplitude to put up acclimatized antennas and admission a able shack.

You appetite to apperceive why the “average age” of US hams seems to be rising? It’s because the adolescent association don’t admission the amplitude or added assets to own a home breadth they can put up a acclimatized antenna.

73 de Jim, N2EY

What algid affirmation is there to abutment that idea?

“I don’t anticipate the Japanese are ‘dumping’ this emphasis to drive the U.S. manufacturers out of business;”

Selling at a accident is allotment of the arbiter analogue of ‘dumping’. No aggregation can advertise at a accident forever, so it is done to drive out competitors.

“domestic manufacturers authority a about babyish bazaar allotment in transceivers and I don’t see them as assuming abundant of a threat.”

I am old abundant to bethink aback US ham rigs were all that you anytime saw in a US ham shack, and in best ham shacks all over the world. That afflicted in the 1970s and 1980s, abundantly because the accepted American rigmakers could not attack in the AR bazaar with the Japanese rigmakers. The Japanese had invested heavily in avant-garde electronics production, and the US companies hadn’t. And not aloof in ham radio, either.

“When was the aftermost time you saw a new HT or new VHF/UHF FM transceiver address a calm casting name?”

Ah, there’s the key – are you adorable at VHF/UHF or HF?

73 de Jim, N2EY

As such US companies are adopted as suppliers if they admission a commensurable or bigger artefact to the adopted manufacturers.

Every distinct one of the aloft US companies admission accessories that advertise to hams, or are meant to advertise to hams, to achieve the following:

1) advertise a bartering appliance of the radio or radio architecture; 2) actualize buzz, name recognition, and amicableness with the accurate market, by leveraging the actuality that abounding hams professionally are allotment of the government or circuitous in the client cycle; 3) actualize a added bazaar with the hams to accumulate the bulk of appurtenances bottomward and the workforce able with abundant orders.

There is annihilation amiss with this. It’s been the case for 60 years. Agenda that aback companies like Harvey Wells, Johnson, Hallicrafters, Hammurlund, Signal/One, Swan,Collins, or Drake absent their gov’t bazaar allotment and/or government sales, afresh they absent the adeptness to blade to the hams. You will agenda abounding of those got out of the business as the orders died with the abbreviation and end of the Vietnam conflict.

When you see a aggregation like Flexradio arise out with a spiffy SDR option, it’s because SDR is the way government radios are going. Frankly, I anticipate it’s a amazing alms for hams. Elecraft, Ten Tec and others aren’t sitting on their toes either.

73, Chip W1YW

Yep, that’s what a surtax is.

Don’t balloon Amusing Security. It is burdened at 85% alike admitting you admission already paid tax on 50% of what you put in.

I don’t anticipate Elecraft sells annihilation to the aggressive and/or government. All they achieve are absolute able ham rigs. Their $600 K2 *kit* outperforms abounding rigs costing abounding times the price. Their afresh arise K3 promises to beat about annihilation abroad on the abecedarian market, if not *everything* on the abecedarian market.

I don’t anticipate Heathkit anytime depended on aggressive or government affairs either. Ham radio wasn’t their aboriginal bandage of artefact sales, though.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Supposition aside, with aggregate that is accident to ham radio in the US, Kenwood is aloof resting, cat-and-mouse to see breadth the chips fall. Alteration assay requirements, arrest to the ham bands from alfresco sources–some of which are actuality accustomed by the government, acknowledgment from some of the louder malcontents captivation ham licenses and added than acceptable centralized difficulties are all animate to achieve Kenwood authority aback from development of new ham rigs.

I’ve said afore that we’re our own affliction enemies. If you attending at this alternation of claiming from the point of actualization I’ve aloof mentioned, you can calmly see why.

I should admission said if you attending at this alternation of POSTS from the point of actualization I’ve aloof mentioned, you can calmly see why.

Brad N6KYS

I absolutely disagree with your “logic”, or whatever you alarm what you wrote. WELCOME TO THE YEAR 2007. Aggregate is added complicated, and aggregate is all-around and international. Companies will aftermath and bulk according to what the bazaar will bear. They admission produced some of the finest accessories accessible anywhere, at prices that aloof about anybody can afford. Is $500 for an Icom 718 with DSP or $139 for a new 2 exhausted adaptable REALLY befitting bodies out of the hobby? Accord me a break. By the way, use a spell checker, if you apperceive how…..OK it’s one of those “bells and whistles.” Unbelievable.

As Samuel Clemens (‘Mark Twain’) adeptness admission said, “The letters of Kenwood’s afterlife admission been awful exaggerated.”

K1CJS: “Supposition aside, with aggregate that is accident to ham radio in the US, Kenwood is aloof resting, cat-and-mouse to see breadth the chips fall. Alteration assay requirements, arrest to the ham bands from alfresco sources–some of which are actuality accustomed by the government, acknowledgment from some of the louder malcontents captivation ham licenses and added than acceptable centralized difficulties are all animate to achieve Kenwood authority aback from development of new ham rigs.”

Welp, I admission NO abstraction what Kenwood is accomplishing or why. Their accessories are still on the marketplace. I’ve not apprehend their business obituary. How affiliated they will abide in any radio bazaar is rather extraneous to the bazaar overall. Bill Halligan’s Hallicrafters went apprehension a affiliated time ago. They couldn’t attack in any market. Teletype Corporation, additionally in the Chicago area, went apprehension a affiliated time ago alike afterwards authoritative and affairs over a bisected actor Teletypes and actuality affiliated with AT&T. Motorola, starting in the Chicago breadth as Galvin Manufacturing, expanded, grew, morphed, fabricated it big aboriginal in two-way radios for government and business use, started its own semiconductor assay in the southwest, got VERY big in corpuscle phones, breach its semiconductor assay into two divisions, one acceptable private. Civic Radio Aggregation aloof arid achromatic into the dusk a affiliated time ago. Collins Radio abdicate the ham bazaar a affiliated time ago, got purchased by Rockwell International, remained in the business-government radio biz, breach affably from Rockwell and became a new aggregation accustomed as Rockwell-Collins. The old Farnsworth radio aggregation was affiliated ago acquired by ITT, backward in Fort Wayne, IN, was never absolutely IN ham radio business but became absolutely big in address aggressive radios (over 300 thousand of one affectionate able in October 2006). Harris Corporation agilely (to ham ears) became a multi-division megalith in radio and a known, admired aggregation to the draft of the radio world…despite never actuality in the ham market. The business history of the absolute USA radio-electronics industry is, if accounting up, a multi-volume set of success, failure, acquisition, merger, dissolusion, re-emergence-after-bankruptcy, bearing of the new companies, off to retirement homes for some old companies and CHANGE in the bazaar areas breadth profits can be made.

Quietly the off-shore designers and manufacturers, aboriginal Japan, afresh Taiwan, afresh acreage China invaded the huge profit-potential of the USA marketplace. They accustomed a beachhead, collection anytime entering for over a bisected aeon and absolutely baffled some bazaar areas. USA workers, anytime absent all the abundance they acquainted they were owed, aloft the bacon confined anytime academy until activity costs prevented manufacturers from aggressive auspiciously on their home territory. Alike today USA-made radios use off-shore-made apparatus in an accomplishment to abide in the market. And so abounding hams in the USA today allegation and beef about “riceboxes.” :-)

K1CJS: “I’ve said afore that we’re our own affliction enemies. If you attending at this alternation of [POSTS] from the point of actualization I’ve aloof mentioned, you can calmly see why.”

I attending at the alpha of this “article” and admiration why e-ham anytime accustomed an a priori “obituary” in the aboriginal place? I attending at the adamant accuracy of some, captivation fast to a able that was afore their lifetimes and accusatory of change. I see so abounding absolution affect aphorism their cerebration and can admission why so few such anytime fabricated themselves a success in any radio business. But, they KNOW the answers and the SOLUTIONS…and aren’t bashful on advertisement that to all! :-)

“Mankind invented emphasis to amuse its allegation to complain…” – Anonymous

73, Len AF6AY

Pay all of your acclimatized taxes, acquire to save or advance instead of consume, and BINGO! Your ancestors owes added taxes on what wasn’t consumed.

Bob

PS: Yup. Thats what is animate Kenwood outta the Ham Radio business.

Uh.. Icom, Yaesu, TenTec, Kachina etc. are artless by taxes? It is abandoned Kenwood that is affected?

Strange bandage of thought!

J C S

http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=&fArticleId=3875608

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=aYrfvNzEv9N0&refer=asia

http://www.rttnews.com/sp/sectorind.asp?date=06/11/2007&item=5&vid=0

At some point, apprehend this so you can admission were Kenwood is, and breadth it is going.

Maybe…. but at a ample price.

Maybe…. but at a ample price.”

That depends on what you assay it to.

Compared to, say, an IC-706, it’s pricey. Compared to an Orion II or added top-of-the-line, it’s not.

And clashing abounding added top-of-the-line rigs, you can buy a basal model, afresh add actualization like added admission and a tuner later.

Are there any added ham rigs that let you achieve RTTY, PSK31, and a brace of added abstracts modes *without* a computer, keyboard, or monitor?

73 de Jim, N2EY

They already admission ALL the money, and he who dies with all the money wins, or is that toys. Oh well, money/Toys, whats the difference?? :)

We absolutely are the “DUMB Americans!” We admission a busted up govt that wants to accord actionable aliens added rights and allowances than tax advantageous citizens, we’ve run ALL of our industry off shore. Chrysler has already been awash again, this time to a captivation company, and Ford and GM are about to go under. And we anguish about Kenwood activity out of the Abecedarian Radio business! It absolutely makes ya wonder!!

73 de W4LGH – Alan http://www.w4lgh.com

I’m cerebration Ten-Tec! Maybe the new Elecraft K3. Why should I affliction about Kenwood?

Cool! a JVC transceiver.

73, James, Ve3eng

Big Corporations never accept to apperceive what the accessible wants.

========================= With all due respect… We could admission a ages long, thousand column cilia on the accountable of the ascent age of ham operators. It isn’t about money.

Many adolescent bodies do not admission a botheration affairs $300 iPods, and downloading $300 anniversary of music from the Angel site. Or, absorb a agnate bulk on a academy wardrobe, or buy auto for their car. $600, the bulk of an Icom IC 518 and a simple dipole.

They artlessly chose alert to Linkin Park, or arcade at the Gap, or whatever over abecedarian radio.

Maybe we cannot change that, and so goes accession amusement of advanced people. The attitudes of absolute hams does admission an aftereffect on these blazon of decisions. Accede the way you acquaint to adolescent people, and how you represent the hobby. It does accelerate a bulletin to a absolute angel censor age group.

Many adolescent bodies do not admission a botheration affairs $300 iPods, and downloading $300 anniversary of music from the Angel site. Or, absorb a agnate bulk on a academy wardrobe, or buy auto for their car. $600, the bulk of an Icom IC 518 and a simple dipole.”

I anticipate you absent my point.

The botheration isn’t the rig and the dipole. It’s accepting a abode breadth you can put up the dipole and achieve the rig.

A 2 gig iPod Nano is beneath than $150 new.

A acclimatized HF ham rig and antenna can be had for beneath than $1000 new.

But how abundant is a “starter house” these days? One with abundant allowance for a acclimatized HF antenna, and no CC&Rs?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Just this: Kenwood isn’t activity beneath or out of the ham radio business. They’re watching and waiting.

You appetite me to smile–OK. Hows this…. :-))))))

Oh, I anticipate they do….. It’s the abstruse to their success. They accord us some of what we appetite in one model, some added in accession model, and yet a aggregate in still accession model.

So, to get what you appetite you admission to buy three or four altered models of the aforementioned thing! How’s that for a little casuistic logic!!

1. Apprentice the theory. 2. Booty an Exam. 3. Absorb $500.00 on a radio. 4. Try to get permission to but up a dipole.

Be adored by accepting on the radio to apprehend endless hours about:

1. What Abecedarian Radio was like 50 years ago. 2. Some 70 year old man’s float ascendancy problems.

OR:

1. Allocution to(and see) my Aerial Academy buddies, and adherent on the Internet anytime I want.

Now let me guess….

73,

John W5JON

Absolutely not. My golfing accompany absorb abounding times added than I do annually. Abounding times. And you can get a casting new, all HF VHF UHF rig for beneath (full price) than a laptop on sale.

Definitely not “big bucks”.

Absolutely not. My golfing accompany absorb abounding times added than I do annually. Abounding times. And you can get a casting new, all HF VHF UHF rig for beneath (full price) than a laptop on sale.

Definitely not “big bucks”.

AMEN!! Absurd rig! The abandoned radio that got added audio affection complements than my Collins S-Line! (No, abundance is NOT for sale!!)

I’m additionally a accurate fan of the TS-480 series. I anticipate those who admission been adage it’s a anemic attack and at best an boilerplate adaptable absolutely annihilation to bethink the assay by QST. They seemed to anticipate the radio was aggressive with abounding abundant academy priced radios, and accepted it for its versatility and raved about its spec’s at its price.

As an client of a 480HX I can say that in over three years of use by a new ham it’s captivated up to huge user mistakes and has served me acutely able-bodied on all bands.

I can abandoned achievement Kenwood does stick around, alike if its as a maker of able affection mid-priced HF emphasis it will accumulate the industry abundant added competitive.

73 de Jim, N2EY”

OK, fair enough.

I do not anticipate owning a big abode (or alike owning any house) is a claim for a ham. How abounding hams out there adore the amusement from RVs, trucks, adaptable homes or apartments? Accustomed the ample cardinal of posts about CC&R -proofing antennas, I would assumption a lot. Pick up a AES or HRO archive and attending at all the ads for babyish verticals, apt antennas, etc. It is a big business.

Having lived in Hong Kong and accepting catholic about Asia, I would agnosticism the boilerplate ham there has a big lot or a 30 exhausted tower. The JAs accept to get out fine.

Your point that adolescent bodies admission a adamantine time affairs a abode is valid, but it seemed to be consistently that way. It wasn’t accessible affairs that $35K address in a shitty breadth of San Jose in 1977, alike on the bacon of an HP Acreage Engineer. I gave up all my toys aloof to achieve the mortgage.

73 Randy

OK, fair enough.

I do not anticipate owning a big abode (or alike owning any house) is a claim for a ham. How abounding hams out there adore the amusement from RVs, trucks, adaptable homes or apartments? Accustomed the ample cardinal of posts about CC&R -proofing antennas, I would assumption a lot.”

But are they adolescent hams, aloof accepting started in life? Or are they advanced ones, sometimes retired, etc.?

Are they animate in those altitude by best (RV animate is usually a choice), or because they cannot acquiesce annihilation else?

“Pick up a AES or HRO archive and attending at all the ads for babyish verticals, apt antennas, etc. It is a big business.”

I accede that owning a abode is not a claim to be a ham. But it makes actuality one a *lot* easier, and makes bargain accessories abundant added effective. The ham with the babyish vertical or added accommodation antenna is not activity to get out like the ham with the dipole. And those babyish antennas are not inexpensive.

My point is that, in the bad old days, if accession had an absorption in abecedarian radio, they could get started with a absolute simple, arrangement setup, to see how they admired it. Animate a simple wire antenna out to the angel tree, or putting a basal vertical on the roof, wasn’t a big deal. For abounding ambitious hams today, that’s not the case at all.

“Having lived in Hong Kong and accepting catholic about Asia, I would agnosticism the boilerplate ham there has a big lot or a 30 exhausted tower. The JAs accept to get out fine.”

What do they use for antennas? Do they admission CC&Rs?

You adeptness appetite to booty a attending at what has happened to the cardinal of JA hams over the able dozen years. Assay out AH0A.org. Attending at the cardinal of *station* licenses, not abettor licenses, because in Japan abandoned abject licenses expire. Abettor licenses are forever, so aback you see the huge cardinal of JA abettor licenses, bethink that it’s the absolute cardinal of abecedarian abettor licenses issued aback 1952, not the cardinal of Japanese hams today.

“Your point that adolescent bodies admission a adamantine time affairs a abode is valid, but it seemed to be consistently that way.”

I’m adage it’s harder now than it was years ago.

“It wasn’t accessible affairs that $35K address in” ”San Jose in 1977, alike on the bacon of an HP Acreage Engineer.”

How abundant does an agnate address in San Jose bulk today? $350,000 would be ten times the 1977 price.

How abundant does an HP Acreage Engineer (or equivalent) booty home today, with the aforementioned apprenticeship and acquaintance you had in 1977?

Is it ten times what you took home then?

“I gave up all my toys aloof to achieve the mortgage.”

Location, location, location.

In 1978 I bought my aboriginal house, in Wayne County, New York. It bulk $30,000. Afterwards the mortgage, insurance, taxes, and utilities there wasn’t abundant larboard for radio.

But the abode was on a long, attenuated lot that acceptable me to put up a nice 135 basal astern L end-fed wire antenna. I absorbed my simple homebrew abject to that wire and formed the world.

All I’m adage is that such apartment is rarer and added big-ticket than it was in those days. And that’s one of the factors affliction our growth. Not the abandoned factor, but not a negligible one, either.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Too Bad

Too Bad

73! Don

Not winning. Buying.

“They already admission ALL the money, and he who dies with all the money wins, or is that toys. Oh well, money/Toys, whats the difference?? :)”

They don’t admission all the money – yet. But we’re abiding animate seeing they get more.

“We absolutely are the “DUMB Americans!” We admission a busted up govt that wants to accord actionable aliens added rights and allowances than tax advantageous citizens, we’ve run ALL of our industry off shore.”

Think about *why* that was done. Here’s a clue: Short-term profits vs. abiding profitability.

“I’m cerebration Ten-Tec! Maybe the new Elecraft K3. Why should I affliction about Kenwood?”

For the record, I’ve never endemic a ham rig that wasn’t American made.

73 de Jim, N2EY

73 de W4LGH – Alan http://www.w4lgh.com >>>

When the USA (United States of Asia) after-effects from this angel abridgement jazz, anybody will admission some affectionate of communications accessory able of aloof about annihilation apprehensible (way aloft ham radio – but that too). The paddle, mouse/touchpad, joystick, keyboard, voice-command, buttons/knobs, and all those added ascribe devies will become obselete aback they implant some little dent in the forehead or arm of the operator. The “RIG” will accumulate a log of aggregate you do (buy/sell/communicate)! It will adviser anywhere you go, and how you assignment etc in your “slave job” (for Kenwood)! Big brother will be watching and he is Asian! This technology already is out there. And WE gave it to them aback their alliens got their VISA’s to go to our universities to apprentice all this stuff. As I said, we did this to ourselves, WE created this BEAST! Best ducktors and engineers allege with an Asian accent, and anon this will be the lawyers/politicians! And our kids gradeeate to assignment at WalMart, Hunan’s, and Honda factories. “America” is a subsidary of Asia – ala absorb or takeover. And it looks like they did it afterwards appliance their “N” bombs!!! How nice! And we “DUMB Americans” aloof sit in advanced of the boob-tube, or esplanade at some radidio BSing abroad absent to it all accident acclimatized beneath our noses!!! Acknowledge God I am gettin’ old and animal activity is temporary. And our approaching ancestors will not admission to anguish about SS animate out and retirement as we apperceive it now. They will admission to apprentice added languages and worsip added gods such as Allah and Buddha! But our schools are already demography affliction of that blend too. Freedumb and bellicism will change! Is there a absolute GOD? The able angel will accretion out IF the prophecies arise true. Maranatha! After that, afresh Babylon will admission collapsed for good! (Remember, Babylon was the aboriginal authority and it was amid in Asia). Accumulate an eye on Israel people!!!

cheerz or jeerz! Don now aback to my little achieve admission afflicted activity

Yes. It is. I admission an Icom 7000 and the TS-480 has a bigger receiver. Would you apprehension the aberration on an boilerplate day at this point in the sunspot cycle? No. Do the radios complete “different” aloof sitting on a abundance – ceremony with altered DSP and added clarification options? Sure. On aboriginal glance – the 7000 adeptness complete better. Beneath the drove of a huge contest, CW or SSB? The TS-480 wins by a adequately avant-garde margin. Will I barter my IC-7000 for a 480? No. If I had a 480 would I barter it for the 7000? No. Both the 7000 and 480 are GREAT babyish hf rigs.

From what I apprehend on the internet and from a few accompany who own the 480 – it’s reliable as rain, boxy as nails, and solid as a rock. If they put 480’s receiver in a huge box with it’s own adeptness accumulation and dozens of knobs – bodies would be array out 5,000.00 for it and calling it the Kenwood Orion II.

How abundant does an agnate address in San Jose bulk today? $350,000 would be ten times the 1977 price. <<About that in the aforementioned area, but not activity up now>>

How abundant does an HP Acreage Engineer (or equivalent) booty home today, with the aforementioned apprenticeship and acquaintance you had in 1977? Is it ten times what you took home then? <<Equiv assets would be about 6 times what I was authoritative then, but absorption ante are about 1/3 to 1/2 beneath now, and, in CA, the Acreage Taxes admission not added as a allotment of value. Bethink 8-13% mortgages and abundant tighter lending standards were the barometer then. The accessible money and low bulk adjustables would achieve the annual amount about the aforementioned or a little academy allotment of an aggrandizement acclimatized income. Aloof asperous calculations and abandoned in my bend of the angel >>

All I’m adage is that such apartment is rarer and added big-ticket than it was in those days. And that’s one of the factors affliction our growth. Not the abandoned factor, but not a negligible one, either.

<<I see your point, and I accede with you. A babyish antenna would your backbone at this point in the sunspot cycle. Abounding would aloof accord up.>>

73s Randy

1. Apprentice the theory. 2. Booty an Exam. 3. Absorb $500.00 on a radio. 4. Try to get permission to but up a dipole.

Be adored by accepting on the radio to apprehend endless hours about:

1. What Abecedarian Radio was like 50 years ago. 2. Some 70 year old man’s float ascendancy problems.

OR:

1. Allocution to(and see) my Aerial Academy buddies, and adherent on the Internet anytime I want.

Now let me guess….

73,

John W5JON ===========================================

Then alpha accession conversation! Admission you abandoned a distinct bandage transceiver? get off 75m and try 17 meters or alike 30 meters. You adeptness be surprised.

$500.00 for a able acclimated MODERN HF transceiver is DIRTY CHEAP. Do not allegation to go aback 50 years, but activity abandoned 30, aback the acclimated emphasis was AM/CW and a new Drake TR4C was 699.00 added the adeptness supply, it was abandoned 10 – 80 meters, no avant-garde bandage receivers, ham bands only, to put it on 11m, you had to buy a bright and not blow a diode.

We had it rough!

73 Bob

This is not the end of ham radio, or American association as some on actuality would admission you believe. It’s aloof change. Change happens, and it’s accident abundant added frequently today than anytime before. We animate in a all-around economy….it’s not all about us anymore. Get over it. The manufacturers are address aberrant emphasis for us to buy and operate. The advances were exceptional of aloof a few years ago. Celebrate it nd adore yourselves. We animate in an absurd time in history, and those who embrace and accord with change will be happiest and best successful…..that’s aloof the way it is.

73, Brad N6KYS

Heck, I’m not alike abiding it’s the end of Kenwood as a ham radio rigmaker.

I aloof got QST for July 2007. Full-page ads by rig manufacturer:

Icom: 3 pages (IC-2820H, IC-PCR1500/IC-PCR2500/IC-R1500/IC-R2500/IC-R20/IC-R5, IC-756PROIII)

Yaesu: 6 pages (FT-450, FTM-10R, FT-2000, FT-897D/FT857D/FT-817ND, FT-7800R/FT-1802M/VX-6R/VX120/VX170/VX-127/VX-177/FT8900R/FT-2800M/FT-60R/VX-2R/VX-3R, VX-3R)

Elecraft: 1 folio (K3)

Ten-Tec: 1 folio (Orion II/Omni VII/Jupiter/Argonaut V)

Flex Radio Systems: 1 folio (FLEX-5000)

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Alinco: 1 folio (DR-635T/DJ-C7T)

Kenwood: 1 folio (the rear cover) (TM-V71A)

You be the judge.

73 de Jim, N2EY

And for the record, as accession abroad said, 90% of my berth is AMERICAN MADE. I do own a Yaesu FT-1000-MP MKV, but I would abundant rather, and do, use my Drake TR-7. One day I may advertise off the Yaesu. Who knows.

I absolutely don’t affliction if Kenwood gives it up or not, but I agnosticism they will. Added than acceptable they will put the 480 in a bigger box, and some added software, accord it a (grin) beam clarify and alarm it a TS-4800 and ask $4k for it.

73 de W4LGH – Alan http://www.w4lgh.com

We had it rough!”

Not absolute rough, though.

Back in the bad old canicule (I was accountant in 1967), there was a lot of able arrangement WW2 surplus around, genitalia and complete units, which could get a abreast ham on the air for not abundant money. Discarded TV sets and AM BC radios were appealing accustomed and were a abundant antecedent of genitalia for the ham.

Sure, it wasn’t plug-and-play, and it wasn’t state-of-the-art, but it formed and was a abundant way to learn.

And if you lived in a house, you didn’t admission CC&Rs accomplishing the Gladys Kravitz affair on you.

In the bad old days, the top of the bandage bulk a lot added (in absolute dollars) than it does today. But then, as now, you could admission a bang afterwards the latest doo-dads.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I’m not abiding what a “HAM generation” is, but accepting into ham radio has never been cheaper. Solid accompaniment admission rigs (TS140, IC730) can be had for beneath 300$. There’s consistently been a aerial end to ham radio. Booty a attending at what Collins and Drake emphasis awash for 30 years ago. Acclimatized for inflation, new emphasis is affection rich, and a bargin. If you accommodating to buy used, HF actuality is clay cheap…particularly if you’ll admission tubes (HW101, TS520)

John K5MO

Will we impaired Americans be able to BUY ham radioes the way things are going??? Who can acquiesce to buy a Kenwood TS on a WalMart income? Aback it costs $5.00/gallon to ammunition our klunkers and 2,000/month to calefaction our homes, I agnosticism abounding will be captivated in spending mucho-demaro to allocution on a radidio! OK, adore it whilst you can!!! Or bigger yet save some of your money for gas, you’ll allegation it to get to assignment at Burger King!

73! Don

Maybe that was accurate abounding years ago, but today it’s a altered game.

AFAIK, aggressive and govt. affairs usually admission a “Buy American” requirement, which would aphorism out Yaecomwood. Those that don’t are usually competitive-bid situations, which bureau low bulk wins.

“2. Ceremony aggregation will booty on a hardly altered administration in business Abecedarian radios. It appears that Kenwood wants the accumulation market, not the abate high-end market. Alinco still markets HF radios. Who will thay be affairs to?”

Good point! This isn’t new, either – in the past, some companies (like Hallicrafters) had abounding models aimed at amateurs for bargain at once, while others (like Drake and Collins) had absolute few.

“3. Admission you anytime acclimated a accurate bartering HF radio? Best absolutely do pooly in the Abecedarian bands. They are advised for a abundant beneath awash spectrum and a able lot beneath knobs and switches. But they are TYPE ACCEPTED and address a academy price.”

A lot depends on how you ascertain “performance”. We hams usually appetite the best in sensitivity, selectivity, activating range, etc.

The commercial/military users about appetite commodity absolutely different, such as operation over a absolute avant-garde temperature range, vibration/shock/humidity resistance, adeptness to be operated by minimally able cadre beneath less-than-ideal conditions, etc.

One *big* claim of best commercial/military users is able-bodied accurate performance, decidedly reliability. “I had one for ten years with no problems” doesn’t beggarly a affair to them – they appetite accurate believability (MTBF) numbers acquired according to defined practices.

“It’s not aberrant for bartering radios to not admission lower sideband. Amateurs are the abandoned accumulation that still uses it.”

Yep. Abounding bartering accommodate LSB artlessly because they can.

btw, afore anybody repeats the old burghal fable about 9 MHz IF and 5 MHZ VFO as actuality why hams use LSB beneath 10 MHz and USB above…it’s not true. Appliance a 9 MHz SSB architect and a 5-5.5 MHz VFO will not aftereffect in automated sideband antagonism to the abecedarian standard.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I agree, the ‘450 is a abundant rig. I awash abundance aback I bought the TS-870. BUT, aback it came time for a new advance rig, I bought accession one (should admission kept the aboriginal one). Abundant sound, accessible to use, able and rugged!

Bill Gates?? 73 Tom W7WHY

How true. Acquaint your Congressional Rep and Senators to abutment atramentous to liquids projects. The Democrats are befitting this from actuality a reality. We admission a 400 year accumulation of atramentous and it can be angry into added oil than the Arabs admission all together. This activity will accommodate American jobs, accumulate our money in the U.S., accumulate gas at a reasonable cost, and chargeless up our money for added radios.

Actually, the association at Kenwood had a new rig at Dayton and an advertisement of the 710 to alter the 700 in December. Abecedarian radio is not all HF; in actuality added VHF/UHF rigs are awash by far. Kenwood is still the ascendant abecedarian in APRS which is a abundant aloft articulation than DStar. Aloof attending at any FindU map.

Around my area, best association accept to be affairs the F6 HT because it’s the abandoned one with a abounding 5 watts on 220 (we admission accompaniment badge sponsored 220 apparatus that covers the absolute state). Additionally the F6 works absolutely able-bodied as SW receiver/scanner (including AM, CW, LSB and USB) for camping trips and backpacking.

Also with the approval of Sky Command in the US, the abeyant for appliance it to accommodate a association HF abject for a agglomeration of antenna challenged hams to allotment via VHF is a casting new market. Bob Brunniga is appliance this abstraction to let midshipmen in the dorms at USNA to allotment admission to an HF abject bristles afar away.

As a applied matter, Icom and Yaesu HF receivers about admission bigger admission abstracts aback they assignment at all and afterwards association pay alert the price. But Kenwood’s chump electgronics roots actualization in it’s affection ascendancy and bright manuals that go with it’s able reliable equipment.

I agnosticism they’re activity abroad soon, abnormally with the banking abstracts credible here. Annihilation abroad is bald speculation.

73

Gary, K2GW

Steve Jobs, for another. The anniversary is acutely long.

73 from a absolutely NOT affluent guy, K4JF

If we’d artlessly use our WASTE accessories and clutter aliment (even Tobacco burns as a fuel), and use it as ammunition instead of Gas/oil and coal, we’d be way ahead. Aloof afire all the bits from livestock and bodies will achieve a shitload of electricity!!! Afresh there is all the fat and livestock decay products, manure, and bulb decay that burns and makes nice heating/AC fuel! Attending at all that amoroso and added carbohydrates we EAT, abundant fuel, and we’d get the added anniversary of bigger HEALTH! Howz about some of you brainiac EE’s inventing a home generater arrangement that burns such decay to achieve electricity and calefaction for our homes, in a assemblage that can be bought at Sears for a few hundred bucks??? Bodies pay a lot for copse burners and geo-thermal crap, solar, and alike advance gas/diesel generators for their homes. A beef agent can achieve antiseptic water, heat, and electricity all in one assemblage that runs on SHIT!!! There is added bits than we apperceive what to do with, too abundant alike for fertilizer. But we accumulation it up in acreage fills and comedy with ourselves (radios). We are impaired Americans!

Don

Kenwood is acutely absorption on chump and accessible assurance electronics which accommodate a academy margin, beneath assurance issues and a less-demanding clientele.

I absolutely cannot accusation them, we hams are about perfectionists frequently allurement for added anniversary and demography admired time from chump service. Allegedly the Accumulated “suits” admission able that for a few hundred sales a year which would be the case of a alleged aerial end radio (if it meets with success), is artlessly not anniversary the bulk and aggravation.

Dick

It is additionally a able affair that Kenwood has added businesses that can drive a big company, and still acquiesce them to serve a babyish articulation of the citizenry like us. (The Kenwood speakers in my ’65 Mustang are great). If they acquirement JVC, it will allegedly get alike better.

Long animate Kenwood. I achievement they accumulate architectonics abundant stuff.

Unbelievable. Didn’t this altercation alpha out about Kenwood?

Brad N6KYS

If it wasn’t for Microsoft actuality such a low affection allotment of junk, non of my audience would anytime alarm me aback for repairs.

Most ham equipment, abnormally Japanese, tend to aftermost for a decade or added and ham operators are blessed with their old equipment, which bureau sales are exceptional for ham companies.

Two avenues larboard for ham manufacturers (two abhorred choices)

1 – like microsoft, somehow allegation a annual fee, in ms’s case, for internet admission on their xbox units. Perhaps, a anniversary arrangement or advancement arrangement for new firmware.

2-like calm cars, achieve it so capricious the budget is added assisting afresh the antecedent sales profit. anniversary centers with antic parts/labor fees. I bethink my aboriginal car, a Lincoln mark vii. In the boutique every month. A affluence is to be fabricated in repairs.

one added advantage (one I like) recruit added ham operators… there are abounding adolescent out doors enthusiasts who would like some anatomy of communications aback backpacking. i noticed non of my accompany alike apperceive what ham radio is. I aloof got into ham and already I am recruiting. further more, I plan on accepting new rigs every 3 years or so, I can consistently accord my old actuality to new operators who are not abiding what to get anyhow the aboriginal time. I absolutely won’t accumulate my old actuality in the attic if I can accord it to acquaintance and get him into the hobby. already absorbed maybe he’ll advancement to a new rig and get accession abroad into the hobby.

So true… not me abandoned but I brainstorm most.

Brad N6KYS >>>

SO??? The articulation to Kenwood has to do with the economy! And ammunition has aggregate to do with the abridgement and sales. Afresh there are the “shit rigs”… Plus I like to go on tangents and aberrate from arid capacity such as this BS about Kenwood, and that’s what it is… BS!

73! Don

very believable – anticipate about it

(organic waste)

“from livestock and bodies will achieve a”

(large abundance of)

“of electricity!!! Afresh there is all the fat and livestock decay products, manure, and bulb decay that burns and makes nice heating/AC fuel! Attending at all that amoroso and added carbohydrates we EAT, abundant fuel, and we’d get the added anniversary of bigger HEALTH!”

Simply afire such decay accessories as ammunition isn’t accessible or clean. However, attending what is already actuality done:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization

There’s a TDP armpit in the Midwest amid abutting to a turkey processing plant, which converts added than 200 accoutrements of decay into accessible ammunition and byproducts.

Here in Philadelphia, there’s a TDP bulb which converts composted carrion carrion into fuel.

The basal botheration with the TDP systems so far is that the plants bulk so abundant to build.

“Howz about some of you brainiac EE’s inventing a home generater arrangement that burns such decay to achieve electricity and calefaction for our homes, in a assemblage that can be bought at Sears for a few hundred bucks???”

Because it’s not that simple.

Look how abundant it costs to body a simple gasoline-fueled architect setup, appliance accepted banal genitalia and technology that’s time-proven and well-known.

What you appetite is a multipurpose accessory that will accommodate calefaction and electricity from a array of low-quality fuels, yet accommodated all ecology and assurance regulations, aftermost abounding years, and yet not bulk absolute much.

IOW, you appetite artery afterwards straw.

“People pay a lot for copse burners and geo-thermal”

(stuff)

“solar, and alike advance gas/diesel generators for their homes.”

Because those things bulk a lot of money to make.

“A beef agent can achieve antiseptic water, heat, and electricity all in one assemblage that runs on”

(waste)!!!

No, it can’t.

All a beef agent can do is to catechumen pressurized beef to rotary motion.

One accessible arrangement would use a multipurpose boiler to achieve the steam, a agent animate a architect to achieve electricity, and a condenser/heat accretion arrangement that would balance ashen calefaction for home and calm hot baptize heating.

The hardest allotment of that is authoritative a burner/boiler that can bake altered kinds of decay *cleanly*.

The added hardest allotment is accepting it all animate together.

“There is more”

(waste)

“than we apperceive what to do with, too abundant alike for fertilizer. But we accumulation it up in acreage fills and comedy with ourselves (radios). We are impaired Americans!”

Not all of us.

How abundant added would you be accommodating to absorb for electricity, gasoline, accustomed gas, heating oil, etc., that are acquired from decay and added renewable sources rather than deposit fuels?

How abundant are you accommodating to advance in new technologies (hybrid cars, accumulation transit, bigger insulation, added able lights and appliances) in adjustment to admission abiding benefits?

The basal acumen you don’t see these alternatives added is that they bulk added per gallon, ccf or kWh.

But the costs of alternatives are advancing bottomward while the bulk of accepted sources keeps activity up.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Hello Jimmy:

Kenwood has NO ambition of accepting out of the abecedarian radio business. This rumor has been aerial about for the aftermost 10 years. Kenwood has come out with two new radio’s in 2007 the TM-V71A, and the TM-D710A due in September 2007.

So PLEASE acquaint anybody you apperceive that Kenwood is actuality to stay.

Also new radio’s will be out in 2008…………73

SO LET SE WHAT HAPPEN I HOPE TO SEE WHAT IS COMING ON 2008.

Kenwood has NO ambition of accepting out of the abecedarian radio business. This rumor has been aerial about for the aftermost 10 years. Kenwood has come out with two new radio’s in 2007 the TM-V71A, and the TM-D710A due in September 2007.

So PLEASE acquaint anybody you apperceive that Kenwood is actuality to stay.

Also new radio’s will be out in 2008…………73

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Kenwood Abecedarian Radio Chump Support

Actually, Jim, the technology for that has been accessible for decades. It’s aloof politically impossible. A small, clean, safe nuclear architect in the aback yard. Alternating the bandage of the ones the USSR acclimated in their aircraft in the 80s.

:o)

As for bedraggled fuel, gas/oil/coal are bedraggled and DANGEROUS. But the EPA/govy is the affliction in the ass that makes it dificult and too big-ticket to change things. I admission little anniversary for the EPA afterwards the WTC messup (9/11). There is affluence of bits out there, and it is activity to waste. It becomes a contaminate, ancestry rats, roaches, maggots, and diseases as able-bodied as communicable our land/water if larboard unused. It’s a abundant antecedent to recycle aback it artlessly turns into methanol. (My brother acclimated to admission a horse, and the admixture accumulation got huge, cipher basal it, they had to PAY to get rid of it)!

But we can’t alike say the bits babble let abandoned recycle the crap! We all do it! Appliance such waste, and clutter aliment accessories (and tobacco) to bake as ammunition produces heat, steam, and electricity, as able-bodied as accepting rid of a nucense. It aloof makes sense, and it can be done on a babyish scale, conceivably for farms and babyish business. I admission you’re acclimatized about calefaction barter to balance the beef (geothermal or a river/lake to abbreviate the beef to antiseptic water). Afire debris is cleaner than accepting it sit in acreage fills for abounding abounding years, and it is a cheaper way to get rid of the “”fuel””. It beats afire wood, coal, or oil/gas in the affiliated run. I anticipate it costs a hellofalot added to get the oil/gas/coal/wood out of the earth, than to artlessly accumulate and bake some decay products. So I claiming you to go over this again, bandage by line, and explain how/why it can be done feasably and how it makes far added faculty than what we’ve been accomplishing for far too long.

Tobacco is a abundant example, it pollutes the air, it makes bodies sick, and it costs a lot (a decay of money) for the chump that is absorbed to the junk. Abounding bake over 200$/monthly, their $$$ litterally goes up in smoke. Now IF they use it for ammunition instead, on a massive scale, (I admission that it may still admission a aerial bulk do to all the govy taxes), the tobacco growers would be abundant happier aback added bodies would use their artefact in a able advantageous way. I anticipate this is a way to achieve lemonaid out of lemons. But it would crave a accessory that acclimated such a fuel. I assumption you admission that a boiler/generator is not practical. Breadth there is a will… there is a way! Attending at the intricate engineering that goes into your boilerplate 2007 automobile? And the technology to achieve arrangement cars that go a actor afar is old academy (as in Checker cabs). Authoritative electricity with a boiler/dynamo is absolute old school, and is absolute reliable.

Maybe Kenwood should alter and go into the afire shit/tobacco/junkfood for ammunition business. Hmmmm, a Kenwood mini-electric/heat bulb that additionally purifies water. Aisa abiding would buy them! Abnormally in bedraggled countries such as India. And they don’t admission tax crazy abject govy and EPA kooks to accord with that baffle with such ideas. It absolutely can be done – and cheaply too! Gas/oil/coal/wood is costing us a lot added than $$$! The rabs admission us (and abounding added barnacle countries) by the balls, if they cut the oil supply. Abounding WARS admission been because of the oil! But cipher wants the shit! Amend this one out, OK Jim?

73! Don

PS: I admission an abstraction that solves the electric car limitation problem, but the nay-sayers won’t admission to it either. I admiration if Billy Gates would be interested??? Artlessly admission array stations that would allegation and barter accustomed array packs for the vehicles. Cull in, bandy your pack, and abroad you go. A beginning backpack in beneath than a minute! Maybe some anticipate I am crazy, but it would assignment and accompany bottomward the bulk significantly. So breach this afar too EE’s! Not that affiliated ago, it was anticipation to be absurd to go to the moon! (About the time Kenwood got into ham radio)! If Kenwood invented STANDARD agent array paks and array stations, their “electronics” business would anemic in compairson. Bill Gates would accept poor! The angel abridgement needs commodity abroad ASAP!

Actually, Jim, the technology for that has been accessible for decades. It’s aloof politically impossible. A small, clean, safe nuclear architect in the aback yard. Alternating the bandage of the ones the USSR acclimated in their aircraft in the 80s.”

NASA has had them for decades, too.

They abide of a reactor that is plutonium-based, which is so advised that aback activated, it gets hot. There are thermocouples all through the reactor which catechumen the calefaction anon to electricity. Simple and lasts for years. All of the deep-space NASA probes use them, including the New Horizons one now headed for Pluto.

In fact, if you bethink Activity Moonray, it was to be powered by a absolute babyish one.

The basal botheration is that they are absolute big-ticket in agreement of dollars-per-kilowatt hour and dollars per kilowatt. As in several actor dollars for a 1000 watt unit.

There’s additionally the activity bulk to achieve one, compared to the activity it aliment over its lifetime.

Safe? – do you absolutely appetite pounds of plutonium in everyone’s backyard? The actuality is abundantly baneful chemically, as able-bodied as radioactive. If a aircraft assemblage fails millions of afar from earth, OK, but not abutting door.

It’s not politically absurd – it’s economically absurd and not absolute safe. They are acclimated in aircraft because there’s no added applied advantage for aircraft that are activity to absorb years far from the sun, due to the admeasurement and weight constraints.

Look up how the New Horizons, Avant-garde and Voyager aircraft are powered, how little adeptness those units make, and how abundant they cost.

73 de Jim, N2EY

SO??? The articulation to Kenwood has to do with the economy! And ammunition has aggregate to do with the abridgement and sales. Afresh there are the “shit rigs”… Plus I like to go on tangents and aberrate from arid capacity such as this BS about Kenwood, and that’s what it is… BS!

73! Don

very believable – anticipate about it<<<<<<<

Don, you are one wierd guy.

As for the bulk of a mini-nuclear adeptness bulb in one’s own backyard, the bulk of the bulb would be tremendous, as able-bodied as ambidextrous with the WASTE unless you appetite to go into the bomb business. And the govy sez a audible NO to that!

The aforementioned botheration goes for wind/water adeptness to about-face a prop. Wind and baptize currents are a chargeless resource, but one allegation animate breadth there is a lot of wind or baptize currents, array of like actuality abutting to Niagara Falls or the Hoover Damn. But again, the bulk of the generators is huge! Admission you priced the wind or baptize turbines lately? The bulk of the prop abandoned would booty abounding abounding years to balance alike from “free” wind or water. And is it reliable over the affiliated term?

Solar beef are additionally absolute expensive, and it takes a hellofalot of them to achieve a lot of power, bound to aurora hours of course. The bulk of the accumulator batteries is advancing aback they allegation be replaced every so about as well.

The acumen that the big adeptness companies use atramentous or oil to achieve electricity is simple, it’s abundant cheaper and easier to manufacture, abundance and carriage the fuel. So what I am adage is to abbreviate the huge adeptness plants into mini plants that can do likewise. But rather than bake coal/oil/wood, bake WASTE products. Decay is COSTING US and it is for annihilation – to ample landfills and we pay to adulterate our land. Theis cher communicable decay is a absolute able accustomed resource, and can anniversary our bodies in the affiliated run! Aloof about annihilation that grows from the arena can be fabricated into fuel. Animal decay (crap, fat, and alike urine) can additionally be acclimatized into ammunition (either as solid, gas, or aqueous forms). Amoebic fuels artlessly catechumen to alcahol, a absolute apple-pie ammunition as compairred to oil/coal/wood burners. And all this is a LOCAL antecedent of adeptness and heat. Afresh I say, we pay a lot to decay all this adeptness – what do they do with all this decay material?

Yep, I am wierd, but I anticipate of bits as able stuff!!! I’d rather see blah and amoroso pikestaff acclimatized into ammunition instead of sodie-pop and bonbon confined that achieve us ailing (also absolute cher aback because the costs of bloom care). Maybe the Marlboro man would rather run a agent from his tobacco than abort his lungs with the crap. Really, who is wierd? Anticipate about it aback you put that bill into your gas auto at 5$ a gallon this summer!

73! The wierdo!

But I assumption it is not wierd to get all angled out of actualization about some corruption brainless transceiver!!!

73! Don

All I did was point out some of the real-world problems that would admission to be solved.

“Just anticipate about Angel and Microsoft aback in the mid 70’s. It was too big-ticket to achieve microchips and the abstraction of an affordable home PC was advised unfeasable by the accuracy as well. But Steve W did not agree, and breadth there is a will — there is a way.”

The absolute adventure is absolute different.

The able PC abstraction was developed by Xerox in the absolute aboriginal 1970s. Microprocessors appeared about that time as well.

Many companies – not aloof Angel and Microsoft – went into the claimed computer business. You bethink the successes, but accede additionally the failures.

Most of all, bethink how abundant those aboriginal PCs bulk (in inflation-adjusted dollars) and how little they could absolutely do.

“Thirty years afterwards – attending what happeneded!!!”

Sure – because lots of bodies put a lot of money into the PC business.

How abundant are *you* accommodating to absorb on an accession activity system?

“I am animated bodies like Steve did not admission to the “cant’s”! Aforementioned was accurate for Tom Edison. Electric lights alter gas??? NO WAY 150 years ago!!!” And abounding anticipation Tesla was NVTS!!! Afterwards Nicoli Tesla, we’d admission NO KENWOOD HF rigs!”

Tesla was a genius, but there would still be radio as we apperceive it if he had never done annihilation in the field. His radio inventions were afterwards apart reinvented by others.

“As for bedraggled fuel, gas/oil/coal are bedraggled and DANGEROUS.”

Of course. How abundant money are you activity to absorb to stop appliance them?

“But the EPA/govy”

“makes it dificult and too big-ticket to change things.”

How? Do you appetite to animate abutting aperture to a bulb that burns debris with no ecology controls?

“I admission little anniversary for the EPA afterwards the WTC messup (9/11).”

Why? What could admission been done differently? How was anyone to apperceive how to apple-pie up such a blend beforehand?

I’ve been to Arena Zero. Admission you?

“There is affluence of”

(organic waste)

“out there, and it is activity to waste. It becomes a contaminate, ancestry rats, roaches, maggots, and diseases as able-bodied as communicable our land/water if larboard unused.”

Did you chase the links to the thermal depolymerization accessories (TDP) that I posted? Did you apprehend the articles? I anticipate not.

“It’s a abundant antecedent to recycle aback it artlessly turns into methanol.”

No, it doesn’t. Not afterwards processing.

You may admission meant that corrupt amoebic bulk can accord off methane gas. That is true, and has been acclimated for years in processes like the gobar gas plants.

“(My brother acclimated to admission a horse, and the admixture accumulation got huge, cipher basal it, they had to PAY to get rid of it)!”

Google “gobar gas plant”.

“But we can’t alike say the”

(word for amoebic waste)

“let abandoned recycle”

(it).

Actually, it’s actuality done today. You’d apperceive that if you apprehend the TDP articles.

“We all do it! Appliance such waste, and clutter aliment accessories (and tobacco) to bake as ammunition produces heat, steam, and electricity, as able-bodied as accepting rid of a nucense. It aloof makes sense, and it can be done on a babyish scale, conceivably for farms and babyish business.”

If it can be done on a babyish scale, why aren’t *you* accomplishing it?

“I admission you’re acclimatized about calefaction barter to balance the beef (geothermal or a river/lake to abbreviate the beef to antiseptic water). Afire debris is cleaner than accepting it sit in acreage fills for abounding abounding years, and it is a cheaper way to get rid of the “”fuel””.”

Would you be accommodating to animate abutting to a trash-to-steam plant?

“It beats afire wood, coal, or oil/gas in the affiliated run. I anticipate it costs a hellofalot added to get the oil/gas/coal/wood out of the earth, than to artlessly accumulate and bake some decay products.”

The ambush is to accumulate and bake them calmly and cleanly. Alike so, the end aftereffect may not be adequate.

Consider how abundant decay you achieve per day – afresh accede how abundant activity you use per day. Bethink that a lot of decay accessories accommodate a ample allotment of baptize and noncombustible elements, too.

“So I claiming you to go over this again, bandage by line, and explain how/why it can be done feasably and how it makes far added faculty than what we’ve been accomplishing for far too long.”

I acquaint links to accessories about how wastes can be acclimatized to fuel. Admission you apprehend them?

“Tobacco is a abundant example, it pollutes the air, it makes bodies sick, and it costs a lot (a decay of money) for the chump that is absorbed to the junk. Many bake over 200$/monthly, their $$$ litterally goes up in smoke. Now IF they use it for ammunition instead, on a massive scale, (I admission that it may still admission a aerial bulk do to all the govy taxes), the tobacco growers would be abundant happier aback added bodies would use their artefact in a able advantageous way. I anticipate this is a way to achieve lemonaid out of lemons.”

I anticipate you’re aloof affairs my leg.

“But it would crave a accessory that acclimated such a fuel.”

Why accession tobacco for ammunition aback added things are easier to abound and admission added calefaction content?

“I assumption you admission that a boiler/generator is not practical.”

Not at all. They aloof bulk added than a few hundred dollars.

“Where there is a will… there is a way!”

Not if what you appetite to do violates the laws of physics.

“Look at the intricate engineering that goes into your boilerplate 2007 automobile? And the technology to achieve arrangement cars that go a actor afar is old academy (as in Checker cabs). Authoritative electricity with a boiler/dynamo is absolute old school, and is absolute reliable.”

But not inexpensive. Checker cabs weren’t arrangement – and they are no best made. It took a lot of advance and development to get autos to 2007 technology, and they are still absolute inefficient compared to what can be done.

“I admission an abstraction that solves the electric car limitation problem, but the nay-sayers won’t admission to it either.

Simply admission array stations that would allegation and barter accustomed array packs for the vehicles. Cull in, bandy your pack, and abroad you go. A beginning backpack in beneath than a minute!”

That’s not a new abstraction – I saw it proposed added than 30 years ago. Accustomed Science or Accustomed Mechanics.

“Maybe some anticipate I am crazy, but it would assignment and accompany bottomward the bulk significantly.”

It would assignment but it would not abate the bulk at all.

“Not that affiliated ago, it was anticipation to be absurd to go to the moon!”

More than bisected a century. It’s been 35 years aback the *last* moon mission.

I advance you do some anniversary on accession activity sources and what is absolutely actuality done today, such as wind technology.

And I ask again:

How abundant are *you* accommodating to absorb on accession activity sources?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Even in the city, it may be accessible to set up such a adeptness bulb in high-rise skyscrapers or ample factories. But they’d allegation the ammunition antecedent acclimatized into some anatomy of alcahol or methane gas piped in from a accumulator reservior. Sometimes I balloon that burghal association are busted by the attributes of burghal living. I assumption you were cerebration that this is not applied for those that admission lots beneath than 1/2 acre, distinct ancestors dwellings. (Heck, that’s not abundant amplitude for a babyish barn)! That’s the problem, we don’t anticipate abundant about our farmers, they are important people, and this is far added important than talking about some brainless corruption Japanise radio folks!

73! Don

BTW: If you’re captivated in accomplishing some research, attending up what you can accretion about “COOL” (Country Of Agent Labeling) apropos accessible acquaintance about alien aliment products. Best of the aliment alien is not inspected by the FDA, and is begrimed and attenuated (think about this aback you allocution about the aroma of authoritative power). I would like to see FDA imposed labeling that would announce whether our aliment is MADE IN THE USA. Our aliment is far added important than our cars or radioes! Some of our legislators are interfering with the implimentation of such FDA R&R’s. I abiding would like to admission labeling that tells me that my aliment is calm or alien from Asia, AFrica, or S.A. etc.! It’s sad that we can abate our medical costs by ambidextrous with decay accessories and aliment sources in a simple way that works to anniversary us all — but there is consistently OPPOSITION, the “can’t people”. Jim, I achievement that you amend your obstanance, because the American farmers this time.

Jim: Why? What could admission been done differently? How was anyone to apperceive how to apple-pie up such a blend beforehand?

I’ve been to Arena Zero. Admission you? >>>

nope! But I bet there are abounding a actuality that were there who ache from the acknowledgment to all that chancy applesauce to this day… (can you breathe OK JIM? Booty a abysmal breath, afresh additionally accede the acknowledgment to carsinagens too.) who are circuitous with a huge chic activity accusation adjoin the EPA for it’s “alleged” credible carelessness and ambiguous bureau of corruption the cleanup. Jim, were you issued a respirator! Were you abandoned from the breadth unless you had acclimatized hazard careful gear? Or were you told it was OK to go in there with abandoned a dust affectation (if that)? Abounding were EXPOSED to amazing hazards and ache for it to this day (some cleanup workers are DEAD from it). Can you absolutely breathe calmly now, Jim? Do YOU realise what you admission been apparent to for your valliant efforts (no acknowledgment to the EPA or OSHA)? The timberline huggers may anticipate they are absorption the environment, but they do a abominable job of absorption PEOPLE! Jim, if your job went to Asia, and you concluded up animate at WalMart, you adeptness amend how I feel. How abounding factories abashed because of aerial taxation and EPA hassles? I anathema the EPA everytime I admission to canyon the e-check! I anticipate they are artlessly a big govy affliction in the ass!

Edison admired the abstraction of ablaze from electricity, there were obsticles, and bodies had gas lighting already (opposition). He took the accident (moola and time), and it paid off, bodies bought it – ALL OVER THE WORLD!

If you artlessly booty the artefact (such as Kenwood radioes), behindhand of its abode of origin, some bodies will buy it, so Kenwood will achieve it and advertise it. The abstraction is to advertise a product.

I am not adjoin some alien goods. But what if we buy from our enemies? What if we buy from compeditors that booty our jobs abroad from us? What about bloom issues? Would you adopt to buy from a Chinese farmer, or American farmet? I assumption that is like allurement what you’d prefer, Amish organnic produce, or automated accumulated mega-farm fabricated foods. Our farmers advertise – ALL OVER THE WORLD! So imports/exports cut both ways. It depends what bodies will buy. If our farmers can accumulation MORE than what we demand, they can advertise it as exports. (Notice that I said SELL it, not accord it away). TenTec could be as big as Kenwood, alike bigger! Why not? Motorola was a huge USA company, so was GTE, GE, alike RCA afore they abashed to Asia! WWII afflicted things! Unions afflicted things! I assumption we like to buy from our “enemies”. The nation of Israel fabricated the aforementioned mistake, you can apprehend about their annihilation in the Bible. Europe, Asia and Africa would not be what they are today had we not accurate them afterwards WWII! Funny affair to defeat an adversary afresh achieve them added able than they were afore the war! I accusation this on acquisitiveness and corruption ala arrangement activity and bondservant factories. Now they chaw us in our asses people! We bought into it — accumulation and demand! Anticipate about this, IF your job abashed overseas, would you go there to accumulate it? Would you assignment for Kenwood in China or Japan? I bet you wouldn’t alike if it were to Mexico!

What makes them an enemy? Threats and war? The annihilation of our economy? Aggression and takeover? Crime and denial (of jobs)? In a way, we did this to ourselves, so are we our own affliction enemy? So the annihilation of Kenwwod depends on the consumer, but it additionally was the annihilation of Drake, Swan, Heathkit, Hammerland, Collins because bodies buy from Asia instead. Kenwood will still advertise in Japan, and elsewhere, if not here. They absolutely don’t allegation us. But they will booty our money if we accord it to them! Accumulation and demand!

Many of OUR US inventions are acclimated adjoin us! Abounding nations admission THE BOMB! We fabricated them able because we buy from them as well. We alike are sooo brainless that our companies advertise weapons to our enemies (try Iraq for example). We don’t accord a bits who we advertise to or buy from, do we! abounding do not accede the consequencex aback they buy things. Consequences such as no such affair as a absolute USA fabricated car anymore (unless you buy an electric). Acknowledge you for arcade at WalMart!

73 de Jim, N2EY >>>

IF they achieve it arrangement in China, I assumption I’ll buy it!!! 😉 HIHI! If we won’t do it here, somebody abroad will, and it will SELL! There is a allegation and bazaar for such a accessory that produces adeptness from “waste”. There are a lot of bodies advance in wind, water, solar, and alike the nonsense of hydrogen ammunition cells, all of which are far added cher than what I am talking about. Yessir, these annual are not my own, and admission been about for a affiliated time – annihilation new. But annihilation done either, far too abundant ashen time and a change is affiliated over due!

But counting the bulk for deposit ammunition is additionally tremendous, and goes way aloft the gas pump alike at 5$/gallon. We are way too barnacle on our enemies! Do some rab nations abhorrence Christians and Jews? But we “”infidels of the devil”” abiding like to buy their oil! If they cut our oil supply, I bet it would beggarly WAR! Or would it? Are we at war in Iraq??? Is it about oil? HMMMMM!!!

I absolutely achievement that a statistically cogent cardinal of Ham’s shows up anon that are either captivated in radio physics, or radio design!

Steve Jobs, for another. The anniversary is acutely long.”

JF: Assay your facts. Jobs and Wozniak weren’t affluent aback they “created” commodity new. That is, aback they visited the Xerox assay ability aback about 1980 in Palo Alto and ‘borrowed’ their absolute money-maker, the Graphical User Interface. Oh, I’ll accord them acclaim for the PC itself, but, they were aloof kids activity to academy and not decidedly wealthy.

Jobs’ GUI-made money bought, affiliated afterwards that, lots of artistic aptitude and imagination.

One, that’s decidedly annoying, is the abridgement of a squelch knob. Now, afore any of you start, yes, few HTs admission aforementioned anymore. But, its accursed annoying to admission to hit some activity key or two to achieve the aggregate ascendancy bulge into a squelch ascendancy or a approach annal (much beneath a accurate VFO knob).

Sure, shafts and pots and/or encoders bulk bucks and booty up space. But, doesn’t ergonomics i.e., affluence of operation beggarly anything? Concentric knobs for VFO admission and or stored channels should be abstracted from absence aggregate and squelch controls too. And, yes, it is about all-important in abecedarian radio operation, abnormally simplex, to acclimatize the squelch threshold. On a K mobile, you’d arise afterpiece to accepting a bones by accepting to absolutely booty your eyes off the alley to do that as adjoin to the others accepting knobs that can be ‘felt’ afterwards abiding distraction.

I’d allegedly admission purchased their VHF adaptable by now if it had abstracted controls instead of “one knob” does all.

We aren’t the aforementioned army as the auto cabs and accessible assurance users that buy their bartering line…..

Both ICOM and YAESU haven’t affected the aforementioned thing. At atomic the aftermost time I looked at their mobiles.

73,

Lee W6EM/4

Not necessarily. You are talking about babyish calibration accumulation of space-rated units. EVERYTHING is big-ticket with those parameters.

I’m talking about millions of banal units, appliance commodity added than plutonium. Big difference.

But, politically, we can’t alike try.

I apperceive my facts. Compared to the cutting majority of the world’s population, they WERE rich. And don’t acquaint me they aback became stoopid aback they got a little added money. That does not compute.

Kenwood will admission affluence of address to accumulation for, abnormally in Asia and the SE Asian islands. India could be a abundant abode to advertise radio equiptment for civilian service. Asia and the islands are decumbent to volcanoes, earthquakes, and typhoones to say the least. Their bulk of animate is accepting bigger (thanks to us) so the bodies will be able to buy arrangement rigs for accessible service. The ARS is abundant NEEDED over there. Clashing actuality in the USA admitting ham radio has abject to actuality aloof a amusement for DX chasers and accolade seekers (much like CB). If Kenwood were to arise out with a arrangement do-it-all rig for a reasonable cost, it will advertise like hotcakes over there. They advertise the big $$$ clutter to us suckers over actuality – that’s the big-ticket “”toys”” that you guys like to blow about having!

The aristocratic nay-sayers on actuality do so because they achieve six chiffre incomes, like the CEO’s, and they accept to anticipate things are too bulk prohibitive because they appetite big bucks to achieve their algid adamantine cash. It can’t be done cheaply in the USA, the bulk of activity abandoned is a killer! But the Asians apperceive how to do it – and do it cheaply, and they don’t pay any absorption to our nay-sayers that “”can’t”” do it! They adulation it!

I was adorable at the TH-F7E they make. All they’d allegation for HF is an RC box at the antenna with 500 watts of RF adeptness to go with it! Anticipate about it this way, a agglomeration of hams in India administration such a powerbox on a belfry (like we use repeaters and celleryfones here). The HT is arrangement enough, and the RC-box bulk can be aggregate by clubs or groups of hams. Can USA companies advertise to the demands/needs of Asia? So Kenwood doesn’t allegation us at all, and I agnosticism they absolutely affliction about US sales. We are aloof little boys arena with our big-ticket toys, so maybe Kenwood is like the “ham radio comedy station” supplier for now. I bet if Sony got on the bandage wagon and fabricated transceivers too, abounding of you’d jump big time for it!

As for TenTec, Flex, and Elecraft (or any added USA manufacturer), conceivably they can accretion added markets in Australia, Europe, and the boilerplate east breadth they admission money to burn! I’d rather see Elecraft accessible a branch in Poland (for European sales) – than in China or Mexico! Or conceivably a TenTec branch in Auzzieland (for Austrailian sales)! We can do it too. They abstruse from us, but we accept to allegation some learnin’ here!

Is Motorola still a US company? Maybe they can advertise to the Asian bazaar if they fabricated a do-it-all celleryfone that included the ARS freqs. All it would allegation is software and a few mods to do the job! A Admission PDA with ham radio congenital in, and a bluetooth HF aerial adeptness RC transceiver army at the antenna completes the setup! Angel is headed in that administration with their i-fone, artlessly add ham radio to it’s capabilities! Hey Steve Jobs, wanna become a ham? Funny thing, I cannot brainstorm you fellaz talking about “Apple” rigs on here!!! I admission the “”i-rig””, and it transmits on all ham bands – all modes (even HD TV and agenda voice)! The I-rig does it all, alike govy, police, FD, and added business communications! I bet Steve Jobs would beat Bill Gates on this one, that is unless Bill does it aboriginal with an “”MS-RIG””! Naaah, Bill is the archetype cat.

But it can’t be done… acclimatized EE’s? 73! Don

No, they blanket the GUI from Xerox. Stoopid from the gitgo.

Thieves sometimes become affluent people, you know.

Was Ken Lay originally a affluent man? Agnosticism it, unless he fabricated potatoe chips B4 Pepsico basal them so much.

Yep, jailbait kids from Silicon Valley are all rich. Acquaint that in the Barrio in East San Jose…..

Get real, dude.

I don’t anticipate the GUI was stolen. In all the accounts I’ve seen, Xerox artlessly gave it away.

There were absolutely three basal concepts developed at Xerox PARC in the aboriginal 1970s (the aboriginal all-up audience was 1971 IIRC):

1) Distributed accretion (a babyish computer committed to ceremony person, rather than a aggregate mainframe)

2) The graphical user interface, with CRT, ablaze pen, mouse, and acknowledging software that meant the user did not admission to apperceive lots of computer commands

3) Abstracts networking, including the abstraction of a server for administration files and aggregate assets like printers.

All of these accept accessible today but they were advocate 35 years ago. Xerox PARC developed all of them but didn’t assure them with patents.

And while association like Bill Gates got absolute wealthy, and tiny companies grew into behemothic corporations, it should be remembered that alternating the way there were lots of failures, asleep ends, and absurd amounts of money spent to get breadth we are today.

Remember Commodore? CP/M? Tandy and the TRS-80? Lotus 1-2-3?

Remember aback IBM was a big aggregation and Microsoft wasn’t?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Ken Lay fabricated his money years ago. I was eatin’ Lay’s chips (the abandoned ones, as far as I’m concerned) LONG afore Pepsico anytime alike heard of them. Aback aback Pepsico abandoned fabricated one beverage, and annihilation else.

Yes, I bethink all of those, and the VIC20. CP/M-86 for the 8080 architectonics machines. The Debris 80 was a nice laptop. I had the aboriginal attache ‘portable’, affiliated afore Compaq came along. A Columbia. Oh, but, again, I didn’t delay til the survivor, Compaq fabricated theirs, which was a few pounds lighter.

Digital Assay bottomward in Monterey fabricated some accurate software. Yes, lots admission arise and gone. I admission a adequately acclaimed baptize blush painting entitles “Silicon Valley” that acclimated to adhere from my appointment wall. Lots of aloft biggies that came and went. Ampex, Memorex, and more….. Alan Shugart’s 8 inch floppies….

What I absence about not animate in the Valley anymore are the debris and casting offs from manufacturing. Aback best is now overseas, the big surplus houses admission all but gone. Abandoned one, I anticipate remains. Halted. All the others admission gone the way of Si Valley manufacturing.

Lambda PS’s for a blade an amp. Transistors, tantalums, etc., for a blade a pound. Chargeless detached resistors aloof for advancing in. Abundant times.

You can’t alike buy surplus DoD actuality anymore at a reasonable price, acknowledgment to the Internet bargain idiocy.

Oh, well. Sit aback and buy what apliances we appetite and allegation from the Asian giants.

The botheration with all of the aloft is, today, if Jobs and Wozniak were kids, they wouldn’t admission admission to or admission the SMT abilities and accessories bare to actualize what they did 30 years ago. Times admission afflicted dramatically.

Oh, I assumption they could address software and program, but its the accouterments that’s the problem.

73,

Lee W6EM/4 Leeds, AL

I anticipate Jobs and Wozniak were affluent by the time they absolutely got about to *using* the GUI, though. Bethink that the Angel II is what congenital the company, but it was the Mac which absolutely acclimated the GUI.

Also, don’t balloon the bootless Lisa, which acclimated the GUI but artlessly bulk too abundant at the time.

“Yes, I bethink all of those, and the VIC20. CP/M-86 for the 8080 architectonics machines. The Debris 80 was a nice laptop. I had the aboriginal attache ‘portable’, affiliated afore Compaq came along. A Columbia. Oh, but, again, I didn’t delay til the survivor, Compaq fabricated theirs, which was a few pounds lighter.”

I afresh acquired a specialized IBM PC XT portable, which was acclimated by GE as a programming accessory for their 1980s-era PLCs. It bulk $10,000 in its time – I got abundance for beneath than $100 *including shipping*.

“What I absence about not animate in the Valley anymore are the debris and casting offs from manufacturing. Aback best is now overseas, the big surplus houses admission all but gone. Abandoned one, I anticipate remains. Halted. All the others admission gone the way of Si Valley manufacturing.”

Because we let it.

“You can’t alike buy surplus DoD actuality anymore at a reasonable price, acknowledgment to the Internet bargain idiocy.”

What ‘idiocy’? I bethink anniversary for years about how “eCommerce” was activity to accommodate the marketplace, and it has.

That array of affair has fabricated it accessible for abounding bodies to about-face what they anticipation was clutter into cash, and for others to accretion things they anticipation were artlessly unavailable.

For example, a while aback me admired bread-making apparatus failed. I researched new ones but they were too big-ticket and not to my liking, added I had additional breadpans and lots of recipes for my old made-in-USA West Bend.

A quick chase on that bargain abode appear one for bargain that was the exact archetypal I had. For beneath than $50, including aircraft from the West Coast, it was mine. It was in aboriginal actualization – allegedly somebody had acclimated it already or alert and afresh stored it for over a decade.

Without that bargain place, it would allegedly be in a landfill now.

“Oh, well. Sit aback and buy what apliances we appetite and allegation from the Asian giants.”

Not me! Google my alarm and see what I use for a station.

“The botheration with all of the aloft is, today, if Jobs and Wozniak were kids, they wouldn’t admission admission to or admission the SMT abilities and accessories bare to actualize what they did 30 years ago. Times admission afflicted dramatically.”

Maybe yes and maybe no.

check out

www.elecraft.com

and see what is actuality done actuality in the USA – today. The association who founded and run that aggregation are putting out some nice hardware.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Best regards,

Monty/WB5GLB aback 1969

Remember aback a blush TV set had over twenty tubes? I was watching LET’S MAKE A DEAL on GSN, and bethink those blush TV’s for about 700$, our aboriginal Zenith 25″ was about that much! Afresh solid state, afresh IC’s, and the anatomy is now like a 4″x4″ PCB, the oly big affair is the CRT and cab. I bought a 27″ “Asian” Sylvania at WalMart (or was it Sam’s Club) for a little over 100$! Absurd huh? Car’s such as the Chevy Vega were about 2K$ in the aboriginal 70’s (LMAD/GSN). A Pontiac Vertura was about 3K$, and a absolutely loaded Cadillac Coupe DeVille was about 10K$! And they were MADE IN THE USA!!!

What happened? I bethink aback gas was beneath than a dollar a gallon (much less). You could buy a rebuilt abecedarian or alternator for beneath 20$ for your AMC Ambassador! But such a allotment for a Toyota or Datson was over 200$ and the activity additionally was sky aerial for “foreign cars” (if you had such a artisan aural fifty miles)! I bought a four butt Holley carb for my ’72 Nova at beneath 100$! Later, a Mitsubishi carb for my New Yorker was over 700$, and is was junk! Did the Asian’s annual some of our aerial prices (aka inflation)? Buy American was difinitely cheaper than the imports until the 70’s. I am not adjoin aperture factories in Asia, as affiliated as the factories actuality additionally breach accessible too!

If Kenwood, Yaesu, or Icom were congenital LIKE Drake, Collins, Heathkit etc., with the abundant assignment apparatus (i.e. not arrangement actuality inside), it allegedly would admission costed added than the home cooler rigs. USA actuality was congenital like a tank, and the nips acclimated lots of ablaze assignment artificial clutter inside. 1/2 watt resistors were replaced with IC’s. Tube finals could put out 300 watts (Drake) into a 3:1 load, try to get that out of those abominable transistor finals in your little Kenwood (you’re advantageous if it can handle 100 watts into little added than 2:1 amount for added than bristles annual of transmit)! Ya gotta admission a transmatch (MFJ tuner for you new guys)!!!

I was guilty, I had a TS-520, and I absolutely admired its admission and tube finals. I ambition it had accustomed advantage admission like that. But I acquainted that it had to be handled with TLC, its toggle and rotary switches seemed chiffon and cheap. I additionally had a HayWire 101 (Heathkit HW101) that took a licken and kept on ticking. Aforementioned goes for a Drake TR4, congenital like a tank, rugged, the controls had a able solid feel to them. If you get an old one, best acceptable the controls will allegation a able aerosol cleaner, which abounding of YOU can allign and fix up for yourself? With the arrangement rigs, it is R&R if you can accretion the advance boards. A few caps, resistors, tubes, and a able allignment would accompany a nice old archetypal back, and that’s bisected the fun (if you apperceive how… if not – LEARN). If a Kenwood was fabricated like a Drake, it would allegedly admission costed MORE because of the costs of admission aback then, and the added bulk of abundant academy affection apparatus inside. btw, bethink aback jobs were threatened by robots and automation? Does a >robot< get “”paid”” added to assignment the accumulation ambit in China, than let’s say in the able ol’ USA?

73! Don

June 22, 2007 – Afterwards months of speculation, followed by months of bootless negotiations with added agencies, JVC and Kenwood admission clearly agreed to absorb beneath a captivation aggregation in 2008, according to Nikkei report. JVC, or Victor Aggregation of Japan, has been beneath the ascendancy of Matsushita Electric Automated Co. (trade name Panasonic) aback the 1950s.

According to the plan, Kenwood will acquirement 20 billion yen (approx. $161M) anniversary of JVC shares to accretion a 13% allotment in the company. Kenwood’s top sharehold, the Sparx Group, will afresh acquirement a allocation of Matsushita’s 52% captivation in the company.

None of the company’s circuitous admission fabricated any official announcements either in the US or in Japah, and aggregation admiral beneath to animadversion aback contacted.

The bargain follows on the heels of a bootless agreement with the Texas Pacific Group, an American clandestine disinterestedness firm. The Kenwood deal, if official, may add some abundant bare adherence to the company’s stock. JVC allotment prices plunged to a 5-year low advanced this ages aback talks with Kenwood began.

I admission been watching for sor several months. THe commodity originated from: http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/JVC-and-Kenwood-Will-Merge-32806.htm

Check Bloomberg for added details.

J C S

I’m abiding there are abounding added to add (please do), Some are still about but abounding are gone. Those that abide admission allegedly merged/moved to Asia/Mexico to survive. Abounding founders are absolutely dead. Perhaps, someday, some will resurrect. But abounding are gone for good. What happened? MADE IN JAPAN? I will leave it for somebody abroad to achieve a advertisement of brands that we admission to acquirement now. What do we admission to buy?????

First a few fabricated in the USA??? TenTec, Flex, Elecraft, Gap, hmmmmmmm, ah ah ummm, ???

Elsewhere: Kenwood, Icom, Yaesu, Alinco, (Is JRC dead?), MFJ, (is Uniden dead?), Hiberling, (Is Maxim dead?), aaaah the hell with it, somebody abroad booty it from here… This is what we’re larboard with to buy!

73! Don

Dear Adolescent Hams, I would like to booty a moment of your time with this accessible letter and advice allay rumors, and falsehoods that admission been stated as fact. I admission been assured from Top Administration in Japan and the U.S. and I can assure you that the Kenwood Communications Sector has no ambition of abandonment the Abecedarian Radio Marketplace. It is a applicable market. The Abecedarian Assay has been running in the atramentous aback our restructuring several years ago. In fact, alike with the accident of models over the aftermost four years the Abecedarian Assay has developed in Market, speaking awful of Kenwood affection and the adherence of our customers. At Dayton this year we alien the new TM-V71A abounding were awash at the show. The preproduction ancestor of the Dual Band TM-D710A was beneath Plexiglas, it too was accustomed absolute able-bodied by the crowd; it will serve as the TM-D700A replacement in backward August. We additionally gave abroad abounding accoutrements of Kenwood Branded items, such as advertisement bags, hat pins and laminated prefix maps. It is accurate the bulk business of Kenwood Communications is Acreage Mobile. The Acreage Adaptable Radio Assay is the second largest communications aggregation in the angel based on sales, added abandoned to Motorola. It takes a abounding year for Abecedarian sales to according Acreage Adaptable sales of aloof one month. What we are accomplishing is aloof able business faculty with the artefact bandage and will keep us in the Abecedarian Bazaar for abounding years to come. As a adolescent Ham, I appetite new radios as abundant as you. The business archetypal of Kenwood is one belvedere for all markets with the only aberration actuality firmware. It’s awfully big-ticket to retool the branch for ceremony market. In addition, Europe and to be followed by the draft of the angel has accounted that accessories be RoHS compliant. The Restriction of Chancy Substances Charge (RoHS) is the acumen we are introducing new accessories to alter accustomed accepted models that are noncompliant. These new models accommodate TM-V71A, TM-D710A and others afterwards the D710 alcove market. Unfortunately, this allegation be able afore we alpha assignment on any new HF radios. Most bodies admission that this is aloof a lead-free mandate, but it additionally includes the use six substances: Mercury, Cadmium, Hexavalent Chromium, Polybrominated biphenyls and Polybrominated biphenyl ether. The best concentrations are 1000ppm. For cadmium the absolute is 100 ppm by weight of affiliated material. The banned do not administer to the weight of the finished product, or alike to a component, but to any distinct allotment that could be afar mechanically. (From Wikipedia) Everything that can be articular as a affiliated actual allegation accommodated the limit. So if it turns out that the case was fabricated of plastic with 2,300 ppm PBB acclimated as a blaze retardant, afresh the absolute radio would abort the requirements of the directive. Please standby for added affection Kenwood products, they will come!

73, from the Helm!

Phil Parton – N4DRO National Sales Manager – Abecedarian Products Kenwood USA Corporation Communications Sector [email protected]

I lamented added aback Zenith went to Japan afresh abdomen up! FYI, Zenith was additionally founded by a ham, wasn’t it? Why NO Zenith rigs???

37! Don

73! de wierd Don

371 Don

Remember Kachina? (No, no, not the Hopi Indian relics) They accustomed a PC software controlled rig that had no knobs, but, they couldn’t advertise abundant of them. Nice radios, too.

So you anticipate //other batwing will appetite to do commodity for hamdom? Not a chance. They’re aloof a corpuscle buzz maker now. And, unless the carriers accede the bulk of the units, well, no market.

I-N-T-E-L inside? Abandoned if its a Wi-Max, avant-garde breadth wireless internet chargeless for all box.

And how about Jobs-niak accomplishing an I-Ham? Nutso. Not abundant numbers. Oh, yeah, the force sensor would be nice, to advice accumulate the controls upright, alike if the abettor isn’t.

Kenwood’s commerical vhf and uhf ambit are absolutely successful. They don’t allegation HF gear, plus, its far too big-ticket for best now anyway. $150 for a Kwoody 2M radio, but $5,000 for HF? Got to be kidding.

My old TS-440SAT and 940SAT are nice radios. And, I can alter any components, as affiliated as I can accretion them.

Love those knobs. Abhorrence the keyboard. Ah, but articulation acceptance will change all that. Sure. Until the dog barks in the bosom of a QSO, and you go to some abundance never heard of…..

SDR and Cell-ham, egads, man, go off on Acreage Day and admission some fun.

73,

Lee W6EM/4

73’s PS to N6KYS The Navy can acreage planes on a postage stamp. Can you. From some one who was a PRC-10 operator.

Dear Adolescent Hams, I would like to booty a moment of your time with this accessible letter and advice allay rumors, and falsehoods that admission been declared as fact. I admission been assured from Top Administration in Japan and the U.S. and I can assure you that the Kenwood Communications Sector has no ambition of abandonment the Abecedarian Radio Marketplace. It is a applicable market. The Abecedarian Assay has been animate in the atramentous aback our restructuring several years ago. In fact, alike with the accident of models over the aftermost four years the Abecedarian Assay has developed in Market, speaking awful of Kenwood affection and the adherence of our customers. At Dayton this year we alien the new TM-V71A abounding were awash at the show. The preproduction ancestor of the Dual Band TM-D710A was beneath Plexiglas, it too was accustomed absolute able-bodied by the crowd; it will serve as the TM-D700A advance in backward August. We additionally gave abroad abounding accoutrements of Kenwood Branded items, such as advertisement bags, hat pins and laminated prefix maps. It is accurate the bulk business of Kenwood Communications is Acreage Mobile. The Acreage Adaptable Radio Assay is the added bigger communications aggregation in the angel based on sales, added abandoned to Motorola. It takes a abounding year for Abecedarian sales to according Acreage Adaptable sales of aloof one month. What we are accomplishing is aloof able business faculty with the artefact bandage and will accumulate us in the Abecedarian Bazaar for abounding years to come. As a adolescent Ham, I appetite new radios as abundant as you. The business archetypal of Kenwood is one belvedere for all markets with the abandoned aberration actuality firmware. It’s awfully big-ticket to retool the branch for ceremony market. In addition, Europe and to be followed by the draft of the angel has accounted that accessories be RoHS compliant. The Restriction of Chancy Substances Charge (RoHS) is the acumen we are introducing new accessories to alter accustomed accepted models that are noncompliant. These new models accommodate TM-V71A, TM-D710A and others afterwards the D710 alcove market. Unfortunately, this allegation be able afore we alpha assignment on any new HF radios. Best bodies admission that this is aloof a lead-free mandate, but it additionally includes the use six substances: Mercury, Cadmium, Hexavalent Chromium, Polybrominated biphenyls and Polybrominated biphenyl ether. The best concentrations are 1000ppm. For cadmium the absolute is 100 ppm by weight of affiliated material. The banned do not administer to the weight of the able product, or alike to a component, but to any distinct allotment that could be afar mechanically. (From Wikipedia) Everything that can be articular as a affiliated actual allegation accommodated the limit. So if it turns out that the case was fabricated of artificial with 2,300 ppm PBB acclimated as a blaze retardant, afresh the absolute radio would abort the requirements of the directive. Please standby for added affection Kenwood products, they will come! 73, from the Helm! Phil Parton – N4DRO National Sales Manager – Abecedarian Products Kenwood USA Corporation Communications Sector [email protected]

I don’t anticipate you absolutely butt what I was accepting at, ham radio will be an afterthought, added fiddle, NOT the basal acumen for the “I-Ham” rig! It would abandoned be accession adequacy of the i-fone added via programming, software that makes it able of ham radio! I.e. booty the i-fone aloft the celleryfone limitations and aggrandize it for commercial/amateur useage too. Isn’t this diversification?

The botheration with authoritative it applicable for ham radio is the aerial powered transmetters we desire. This is the acumen accession has to arise up with the BOX at the antenna, the box with adeptness supply, RF adeptness amp, and alien ascendancy capabilities (sort of like repeaters for all ham bands). Cellfones and repeaters use such alien adeptness transmitters. A few mods, and you add ham radio to the picture. (same goes for business radio) If hams will pay 3 K$ for a Kenwood or Icom rig, why not for a alien transmitter?

Nay-sayers go for it! Time will tell!

Don

Ah, but in places with antenna restrictions (everywhere, these days) maybe you’ve got a point.

Doing a SkyCommand alien or commodity added adult aloof doesn’t cruise my trigger. Maybe so for the abutting generation. But, association already admission Web-remote abject stations, so that actuality is actuality now.

Kwoodie is activity to stick around, so no big deal. As to their “ban” on chancy substances, oh boy. So, advance chargeless adhesive has to be it. Funny, but I spent a ages in a hospital in FL four years ago and wouldn’t yah apperceive it, the hospital affair tooth adhesive (made in China) was delivered from non added than a advance tube.

And, they abiding as heck knew what they were handing out, too. Not the bulk that anybody over 50 at some point in their activity extruded tooth adhesive from a advance tube…….

73,

Lee W6EM/4

The anniversary today is that Matsushita is affairs JVC to Kenwood. Additionally agenda that Kenwood bought the US communications aggregation Zetron a brace of months ago. As an investor, I’d say Kenwood has cash. See the anniversary and banal quotes at http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/overview.asp?symbol=6765.T

And the TS-2000 is a abundant radio. I like abundance a lot and it has all the bands from 1.8 to 1300 MHz, all the modes, and is absolute bunched with able software ascendancy too. It is reliable, and does an admirable job.

I additionally admission TenTec and Yaesu radios too (plus a brace of MFJs, Heathkits and a Kenwood TR-751A), but I adulation my TS-2000.

Kenwood is profitable, but I’d say it is focussing on animate a business, not a hobby. It’s too bad aback a aggregation that has admission to lots of aerial technology radio apparatus and architectonics abilities the way they do, alternating with added big adaptable and cellular radio accessories companies like Motorola, Icom, LG, Samsung, Nortel, Erisson, etc, decides to carelessness a market. I achievement Kenwood won’t leave ham radio.

But there are lots of bodies who adulation to back-bite the YaeComWood trio. Maybe those bashers will assuredly be blessed aback they can’t buy an HT or FM adaptable any more, if YaeComWood leave ham radio. Cuz TenTec and Elecraft abiding aren’t activity to achieve one – those are fabricated in Japan, China, and Singapore, not the USA, and crave abilities that frankly, don’t abide over here. Alike Motorola and Nokia get their cellphones fabricated by Flextronix (contract manufacturer, afresh swallowed Solectron too) in Asia.

Internet chat, cellphones, WiFi mobility, etc admission afflicted how bodies anticipate of communications, angel connectivity, mobility, and additionally how companies anticipate about accessories for those people.

The electronics industry is affective to the added ancillary of the angel from here. The alternation larboard the abject affiliated ago.

Buy radios now or don’t affront aback you can’t later.

73! Don

This PRESS RELEASE is anachronous TODAY, 6/25/07

Contrast this with the contempo column aloft by KC9JHF: ————————————————- Dear Adolescent Hams, I would like to booty a moment of your time with this accessible letter and advice allay rumors, and falsehoods that admission been declared as fact. I admission been assured from Top Administration in Japan and the U.S. and I can assure you that the Kenwood Communications Sector has no ambition of abandonment the Abecedarian Radio Marketplace. It is a applicable market. The Abecedarian Assay has been animate in the atramentous aback our restructuring several years ago. In fact, alike with the accident of models over the aftermost four years the Abecedarian Assay has developed in Market, speaking awful of Kenwood affection and the adherence of our customers. At Dayton this year we alien the new TM-V71A abounding were awash at the show. The preproduction ancestor of the Dual Band TM-D710A was beneath Plexiglas, it too was accustomed absolute able-bodied by the crowd; it will serve as the TM-D700A advance in backward August. We additionally gave abroad abounding accoutrements of Kenwood Branded items, such as advertisement bags, hat pins and laminated prefix maps. It is accurate the bulk business of Kenwood Communications is Acreage Mobile. The Acreage Adaptable Radio Assay is the added bigger communications aggregation in the angel based on sales, added abandoned to Motorola. It takes a abounding year for Abecedarian sales to according Acreage Adaptable sales of aloof one month. What we are accomplishing is aloof able business faculty with the artefact bandage and will accumulate us in the Abecedarian Bazaar for abounding years to come. As a adolescent Ham, I appetite new radios as abundant as you. The business archetypal of Kenwood is one belvedere for all markets with the abandoned aberration actuality firmware. It’s awfully big-ticket to retool the branch for ceremony market. In addition, Europe and to be followed by the draft of the angel has accounted that accessories be RoHS compliant. The Restriction of Chancy Substances Charge (RoHS) is the acumen we are introducing new accessories to alter accustomed accepted models that are noncompliant. These new models accommodate TM-V71A, TM-D710A and others afterwards the D710 alcove market. Unfortunately, this allegation be able afore we alpha assignment on any new HF radios. Best bodies admission that this is aloof a lead-free mandate, but it additionally includes the use six substances: Mercury, Cadmium, Hexavalent Chromium, Polybrominated biphenyls and Polybrominated biphenyl ether. The best concentrations are 1000ppm. For cadmium the absolute is 100 ppm by weight of affiliated material. The banned do not administer to the weight of the able product, or alike to a component, but to any distinct allotment that could be afar mechanically. (From Wikipedia) Everything that can be articular as a affiliated actual allegation accommodated the limit. So if it turns out that the case was fabricated of artificial with 2,300 ppm PBB acclimated as a blaze retardant, afresh the absolute radio would abort the requirements of the directive. Please standby for added affection Kenwood products, they will come! 73, from the Helm! Phil Parton – N4DRO National Sales Manager – Abecedarian Products Kenwood USA Corporation Communications Sector [email protected]

————————————-

Now did the author, K6AER-Michael S. Higgins admission cabal banker advice on this????

;-)

73, Bill – WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com

“As far as I can tell, Kenwood is animate and kickin’. Can we stop these absurd rumors? “

Are you guys blessed now? Kenwood is absolute abundant alive. OK?

73, Chip W1YW

1. The assay is in the mail. 2. I will anniversary you in the morning. 3. There will be NO changes afterwards the acquisition.

73,

John W5JON

(1) accumulation US govenrment contracts

(2) authoritative US acquisitions, and

(3) introducing new products.

73,

—* Ken

kenwood amalgamation with jvc abutting year!

see advanced folio of arrl site, www.arrl.org

“As far as I can tell, Kenwood is animate and kickin’. Can we stop these absurd rumors? ”

Are you guys blessed now? Kenwood is absolute abundant alive. OK?”

As we now can see, you were amiss already afresh with your speculation. Its now activity to become a VIDEO company. Japan Video Aggregation is merging/submergeing, etc.

Perhaps to bigger attack with the casting of I and Y with their aloft advanced console displays……

Plus, as the K official said, their BIG business is bartering acreage mobile. What with Batwing accepting awash off its bulk competencies in semiconductors and acceptable an acceptation boutique for corpuscle phones and its acreage adaptable line, it can’t lose…..

The aloft column from Kenwood, lists all the affidavit for no new Kenwood HF Abecedarian radios in years. It would accept to me that both ICOM and YAESU are arena by the aforementioned rules/regulations and do not accept to admission a botheration befitting new accessories in the pipeline.

So for all of you “I told you so”, in a year from now we will see how abounding new HF Radios Kenwood/JVC has alien …. my bet is NONE.

The abandoned affair able about Kenwood at Dayton this year was you could go to their asleep Berth anytime and escape the crowds, at all the added Booths.

Years ago Kenwood was the leader, and it was their bazaar to loose. I am apologetic to say, they admission managed to “grasp defeat from the aperture of victory”.

73,

John W5JON

THOMAS O. CALDWELL WD5GXH

Nope. JVC stands for Japan Victory Corporation.

Kenwood will admission a lot to accretion from JVC and to accord to JVC artlessly because of the video acquaintance JVC has hmmm bigger SSTV/ATV and Kenwood radios can abandoned advice JVC’s able alternation Cameras. I admiration if Ikegami and MAldol/Comet will merge? I can calmly attending into the approaching and see an ATV-APRS HF-VHF-UHF Adaptable all in one from this merger. I saw Kenwood at Dayton and was absolute impressed. What abutting Kenwood?

WWCD?

I’ve additionally arise to apprehend that the TH-D7A and TH-F6A are bigger ill-fitted to my actualization of operation than any of the added radios on the market, and I’m activity to alter my Icom IC-W32A with the D7A, and add an F6A to my radio bag as anon as I am able, or what anytime models arise alternating to alter these two by the time I’m accessible for them.

My able car stereo arrangement is additionally Kenwood. I went with Kenwood because they’re the abandoned car stereo aggregation that additionally makes Abecedarian gear, and they are broadly appear to admission the best iPod adapter out there.

And, as the inventors of the VHS format, I assumption they were “victorious” per se. Still a video house, any way you allotment it. I assumption if I appetite to see what their new emphasis will attending like I can ankle on bottomward to Tuscaloosa and ask for a tour….. whooopie.

They invented the VHS format? Hmmm, I anticipation Sharp did. Oh well, shows what little I apperceive about TV! :o) Rarely watch the thing. (I absolutely abhorrence it that VHS is activity away. DVD is a poor replacement, imo.)

And of course, above-mentioned to actuality acquired by RCA in 1929, the antecedent aggregation was the Victor Talking Apparatus Company, makers of phonographs including the acclaimed Victrola.

Sorry about the error, I was absent and should admission accurate my column above-mentioned to authoritative it.

73

Years aback aback i was about to acquirement a new 950sdx i ask the aforementioned question. They aria to me because they basal to advertise the 950sdx’s sitting in warehouses.

Imagine spending a few thousand bucks on a radio that was already “discontinued” at the time you purchased it new. I saw them additionally destruct the 940 line. It was’nt old at all and they chock-full the abutment bandage of genitalia etc. Aback you beatific one of those in for anniversary it was a coursing and beak adjustment at 150 bucks an hour.

The 870 is a abundant one and there admission been others in contempo years that are abundant rigs too…..but i debris to do business with a aggregation that can’t be “honest” with their customers. Simple as that.

Ten-Tec and Icom these able ten years admission been superior. Abnormally in chump support.

If kenwood came out with some rig on the calibration of the proIII or the 7800 and offered it for 500 bucks i’d still say “piss” on them.

Never afresh will i be larboard in limbo on rigs i’ve invested accoutrements in by a agglomeration of liars.

73 John WR8D

I doubtable that your anticipation is acclimatized though, anybody over there is appealing befuddled up and I’ll “bet” that the aggregation is adverse aloft changes and will allegedly abutting boutique on the abecedarian accessories by years end ’07.

Jus’ an observation…

James – KD6KOS

Sherrif Bart: “CandyGram for Mongo…CandyGram for Mongo..”

Mongo: “Mongo like candy”……[email protected]!#@!

(Inside Sherrif’s Jail)

Mongo: “Mongo impressed..Sherrif Bart abandoned sherrif that can booty mongo…huhuh, huhuh..”

Mongo: Mongo not know…Mongo abandoned assurance in ‘Game of Life'”

“The business archetypal of Kenwood is one belvedere for all markets with the abandoned aberration actuality firmware.”

Aha! That explains it. I admission a absolute able Kenwood handheld, the TH2-KAT. It’s got a absolute clear LCD console and a affection actualization and feel to it. So I assumption it is a cross-breed from a bartering model.

From a banking viewpoint, Parton’s account makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, for HF operation, ham radios allegation to be engineered absolutely abnormally from commercial/military transceivers due to the acute altitude beneath which hams operate–low power, bound antennas (by comparison) amid them. The new Elecraft K-3 appears to be a knock-off of the architectonics of the Ten-Tec Orion and apparently will access with beneath software glitches. But neither of those able transceivers would be a applicant for bargain to commercial/military buyers because their dent is accurately engineered for hams.

Icom is about in amid Kenwood and Ten-Tec, with its offerings about actuality acclimatized from Icom commercial/military platforms but with able redesigns that do not anon advance their provenance. But the pricier Icoms ache as a aftereffect of their assorted missions from not accepting accurate bifold receivers. The accessible IC-7700 is a absolute example–quite a rig but with little added operating adaptability than an IC-718.

I admission no abstraction what Vertex-Standard’s business plan is with attention to Yaesu.

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